WT830
According to the Air-Britain WA-WZ serial book it was only with Glosters and A&AEE (Boscombe Down). ‘7845M’ is a maintenance serial number – allocated to indicate the aircraft had been designated as a non-flying airframe ie. for use as a ground training aid.
Pakistani Tempests
India supply Pakistan with Tempests !!! – think you might need to bone up on your modern history ….
Why not refer to the ‘Typhoon and Tempest Story’ which would tell you that Pakistan received 35 Tempest IIs from the RAF at Partition, bought 24 refurbished from Hawker, and another 21 purchased from surplus RAF stocks …. total 80. India’s acquisition of Tempests followed a similar pattern but totalled 233.
Stapme’s Hurrie
I have a first-hand copy of this photo from the album of fellow-257 Sqn pilot Cedric Henman. The serial of the Hurricane is Z2966.
Firstname instead of initials
And yes, there was at least on other in addition to ‘AL’ …. Wg Cdr G.W.Northcott of 126 Wing had ‘JEFF’ marked on his Spit IX and XIV aircraft in 1945/5.
Haabjorn’s “BO-G”
Although Wg Cdr Erik Haabjorn is recorded as flying “BO-G” in one of the Typhoon squadron’s ORBs, I think it more likely that this was a corruption of ‘BD-?’ which was Wg Cdr Billy Drake’s aircraft at the same time. No lavatorial jokes please.
Red Herring
The ‘199’ on the fin is misleading. The aircraft is one of only 2 Hispano Aviacion HA-1110-K1L trainers that were built in 1953. They had Hispano-Suiza HS 12Z 17 engines – which accounts for the different nose profile frrom the later Merlin-engined variants which acquired the Buchon name.
Black 12
The aircraft in your photo is ‘black 12’, originally of I/JG 51, W Nr 4101, currently displayed in the RAF Museum. It force-landed at Manston 27 November 1940 and was flown by various units as DG200 until stored (having lost its canopy somewhere). Post-war it was displayed with the incorrect Erla hood but was eventually restored and fitted with a correct hood (from RN228 aka ‘black 6’). Its original radio call-sign was ‘GH+DX’ which explains the ’12+GH’ as displayed in the photos.
This information is from ‘War Prizes’ by Phil Butler published by Midland Counties 1994, ISBN 0 904597 86 5, which details all Axis captured by the Allies. A highly illustrated, deeply researched, superb reference book and a ‘must’ for anyone interested in this topic. Still available I believe.
KNL
Kit North-Lewis was a regular Army officer who transferred to the RAF and flew Blenheims with 13 Sqn and Mustangs with 26 Sqn, in which he became a Flight commander. In January 1944 he was due to take over 231 sqn but it was disbanded so he converted to Typhoons, flying with 175 Sqn as a supernummary Flt Lt, 182 Sqn as a Flt Cdr, CO 181 sqn, before becoming Wg Cdr Ops 124 Wing in August 1944. One of the squadrons of this wing was 247 Sqn which was commanded by Basil Stapleton from August to December 1944. His Typhoons when with with 124 Wing were MN922, MP189, RB208 and SW530 (not flown on ops). After being shot down, captured and receiving the surrender of his captors (when he was shot down during the Rhine crossings, 24 March 1945) he was taken off ops (he had flown an extremely long tour)and posted to 83 GSU where his Tempest was SN214. He stayed in the RAF, later commanding Tempest and Vampire units, 7 Sqn with Valiants and RAF stations Akrotiri and Wyton. He retired from the RAF in 1971 as an Air Commodore. He is alive and well and lives in West sussex.
There is a photo of RB208 after its crash landing on 24 March 1945 in ‘2nd TAF Vol.3’ page461.
Bombs on Spit XIVs
To (part) answer the other question – the only wartime use of bombs on Mk.XIVs that I have come across was limited use by 402 Squadron – and they carried a 500lbr on the centre-line not the wings. See ‘2nd Tactical Air Force Vol.3’ page 517.
Proctors et al
Kind sole? … Gulls, Petrels … sounds a bit fishy to me.
Korean MIA
The programme concentrated (if that is the right word) on the 31 Sabre pilots still ‘missing’. 3 of these were RAF and the the programme followed Michael Baldwin’s attempts to determine his father’s fate – Wg Cdr J.R.Baldwin DSO & Bar DFC and Bar – top Typhoon ace. A couple of US families were also featured. Russian records of a crash site believed to have been Baldwin’s aircraft had been found but no chance of examination as the site is in North Korea. Reports of US servicemaen in transit to Russia were rather vague and no documentary evidence had yet been found – but only 25% of known archives has been examined so far.
Lots of Sabre and MiG clips, including Mig19s and F86Ds – but heh!
… and the Typhoon …
Further to my last – the aircraft can most easily be identified as a Typhoon (as opposed to a Tempest) by the distinctive ‘D’ door shape, ie. the smaller of the two undercarriage doors. The port ‘D’ door can be seen beneath the wing and bears a section of the black and white Typhoon identity stripes. As these were introduced in late 1942/early 1943 it is almost certain that the Typhoon is ‘ZH-G’ EJ924 which was his chosen mount from February to July 1943 (when his tour with 266 Squadron finished).
ID for your album
Sorry about the late reply. The photo is very definitely the late Charles Green, taken when he was CO of 266 Squadron flying Typhoons. His personal aircraft was always ‘G’ – as in the photo. He went on to become Wing Commander Flying 121 Wing, and later, as a Group Captain DSO, DFC, OC 124 Wing. He was credited with spotting the German armour massing for the counter attack at Mortain, which subsequently was subjected to relentless attacks from the Typhoon RP Wings in Normandy.
Have I missed something here? Some just-adequately rendered profiles full of errors (eg the Typhoon has the wrong exhausts, incorrect serial number, yellow LE stripes far too wide, no underwing stripes on the front view), parroting others inaccurate research (the green/grey Whirlwind should have black stripes between the white ones and the wing tips were black; the markings were for Operation ‘Starkey’, more than a year after ‘Dieppe’ as quoted). The ‘projects’ are more interesting but many (especially the postwar ones) feature inappropriate schemes.
So what exactly are these illustrations offering us? Trouble is, ‘profiles’ seem to acquire a quite unjustified authority – much like the ‘published word’. Oh dear I don’t seem to be able to find the right ‘smiley’….
Probably Holmsley South or possibly Beaulieu -both have had virtully all buildings and most concrete removed but are still very visible from the air. Suggest you use Windows Live Local or Google Earth to see if you can recognise the one you saw and then give us a more accurate location.