Actually the point of the thread and many other threads like this is that some people need to prove to themselves that the MKI is a not a good bird…unfortunately their one source to that effect the good Col ends his lecture by saying that the MKI is superior to the F-15’s and F-16’s.

Errrr…. I dont think anyone doubted how good the MKI was.

Just because some member has made an immaturish remark as you are saying, it doesn’t mean to let yourself carried away to get wronged in your own eyes only. You may have presented a Geographical pictures as well as assets deployed by Pakistan to tackle such crisis rather then getting angered with others comments.

I apologise if you feel I got carried away. Sometimes it does feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall.

First you say there are too many variables to be considered for while having a comments about airwar and then only you are saying it would be a massive blow to IAF rather then other way round. For your kind information, if airwar is getting fought either on Pak or Indo airspace, both nations going to employ similar assets which doesn’t give them any invicible form of advantage while operating on either airspace.

Zoom, if you qoute me at least do me the honour of qouting me correctly?

I said “May” be a blow for the IAF. I happen to agree completely with you, there are just to many variables to ensure an attempted IAF strike on Karakouram would succeed.

However we have people like Quadbike on the forum who claim (and here I am qouting him directly)

“Actually taking out a high profile target will be rather easy for the IAF”

Can you see the difference between our reality and his internet rants?

The block 50 F-16 are inferior in almost ever single category to the MKI…radar coverage,missile range…if the F-16 was so great,India would not show the scant interest she has shown on the superior Block 60 version offered…not only that,India has and will have numerical superiority even between these planes,270 versus what 80?

We have heard this and its tiring. There are just so many variables that it is simply not right to assume MKIs will blow away Block 52s. You know that just as much as I do.In addition, PAF will be operating over its own air space.

The point is, any strike will not go unopposed. Either by Pakistan Army Air Defence or PAF.

Such an attempt may prove to be massive blow to the IAF rather then the other way round.

Actually taking out a high profile target will be rather easy for the IAF provided its numerical and technological superiority. There will be a few loses but that is expected. Its you who are day dreaming, if you say all IAF aircraft crossing the LOC will be shot down.

As for the SAAB 2000, SU 30 MKIs armed with KH 31 ARMs would severly reduce its options.

As for Insiq’s comments on Kargil, Kargil was a Siachen style plot by Pakistan to gain control of the area which failed miserably, Pakistan did not even get support from its closest allies on the issue.

As for India strategic victories in the region you don’t have to look further than Operation Meghdoot. Its frankly nauseating to see people boasting after losing every single conflict they fought.

Quadbike, as usual you steer the aviation debate to the poltical and try to (rather unskillfully) avoid the issue.

Irrespectiveo strategy and aims of India and Pakistan during Kargil, the point myself and Insig were making was that IAF aircraft were shot down. Not by PAF but by MANPADS by our army.

If attacking a target that is in the highest mountain peaks in the world, how will IAF avoid such losses again?

You may actually get through, but the losses would be horrendous I imagine.

As for SU-30MKIs, PAF F-16s will be waiting….

By continuing to post on this subject you are fighting a losing battle.If your point is to prove how “professional” the IAF behave compared to the PAF in terms of making comments about others andgaining “one upmanship”.
IAF make a massive PR effort about almost everything.
Press releases, press conferences, official statementsetc etc.

Please dont try and fool us into believing PAF and JF-17 are never mentioned by senior IAF people.

Absolutely nothing wrong with PAF ACM making a comment about LCA. He (like all of us) is entitled to an opnion.

Abinmanyu and Quadbike

In your first post about it you claimed PAF officers made detrimental unsolicited comments and acted “unproffesionally” all you can post is a link with PAF ACM commenting about the age of the LCAs avionics.

Again, you both constantly make claims you cannot back up.

Lets get back to the point of this thread anyway.

IAF has constantly publicised its exercises with foreign AFs and many IAF pilots “off the record” talk about how good they performed. Once things go the other way, we see an air force acting in the manner of a child that gets bullied in the playground. It does nothing for the IAFs image at all.

What other air force actually rushes to the US embassy other a Youtube clip?

After that whole episode I would not be surprised if there were alot of jokes made at the IAFs expense……….