Perhaps a full explanation should have been given for those who are not in the know as such, This airframe and several others are stored privately in a garden at Grainthorpe.
During the last couple of months there has been several movements that have been quite significant, the Starfighter to Bruntingthorpe, XR770 will be going to Waddo and a cockpit section has gone to Scampton.
John.
As the cockpit of XS457 has been seen at Binbrook, is the cockpit section which has gone to Scampton XR757 ?
If anyone has the ID number I can look it up.
Its A-011, and I think came direct from Denmark.
Cheers
Hi Roger,
You may be correct in they did indeed donate the J29, as you say it was a long time ago…:eek:
I was mereley using that as an example of what happens to airframes which are loaned to collections that subsiquently fail.
I have no desire to see the J35 end up as coke cans, but as you know yourself as time passes people sometimes forget (or never knew) the origin of some of the airframes on display in our many and varied collections up and down the country.
Why promote it as a ‘ground runner’ and then put in the following..
“… being sold for scrap to avoid contravening the original agreement with the Danish Air Force.”:confused::confused:
In no way meaning to throw a spanner in the works of this e-Bay sale, but the fact they added that statement to the listing has raised a question as to the actual status of the aircraft in terms of ownership.
Was this a loan to the original owners or an outright sale initially ? I know there are a number of airframes dotted about collections which are technically on loan, to avoid HMRC presenting the collections the aircraft presently reside in with a nice import tax bill based of the percieved value of the aircraft.
As such if a collection no longer wants / has room for the airframe or fails for some reason the title to the aircraft falls back to the original loanee. This was how the J29 ended up at Coventry, as the aircraft reverted back to the Swedish AF after Southend failed and was subsequntly then loaned by them to the MAM.
In the case of this aircraft it would be useful if clarification of who has title to it in the current circumstances of the collection being wound up. Is it perhaps the RDAF ???
I’m aware I will probably get flamed for raising this point, but the actual ownership of a lot of museum aircraft in collections is far more complicated than many people think.
Nice picture dave…..;)
Hope some one takes this on as it would make an interesting project of a civil flavour – something there are none too many of in the cockpit world.
Saw it on there, but was wondering if anyone on here had actually seen it, or knew if there were any photographs of this (I think) unique aircraft
Picture from Demobbed:
Not the most intact relic in the world, but at least its a picture !
Please enlighten me, why would the MOD buy back spares for an aircraft out of service?
Paul
A number of the aircraft have been kept ‘live’ and are being used for start and taxying around the airfieid as part of one of the courses there IIRC.
Plus those that are in ‘non ground running’ order do occationally wear out components.
Only quoting what someone at Cosford told me, and considering the great job the MOD have done in selling off the redundant frames and UK Surplus have done in selling off the spares cache, frankly I’m not suprised they find themselves having to buy parts back !
Maybe possible resale to the indians?
I believe he does not need to look that far, from what I’ve heard he’s got a nice buisness at present selling spares back to the MOD for the ‘fleet’ in use at Cosford…..
Oh and the price of his non flyers has gone up to £10k now:eek: according to the website.
I have a mixture of admiration for Everett’s buisness accumen and sheer frustration with the shortsightedness of the MOD for selling them off so cheaply in the first place.
Auster parts are about, – there’s recently been some AOP9 parts on e-Bay.
What you need to consider is they are a reasonably popular aircraft with the flying fraternity, especially now they are going onto permits.
This means unless a part is completely knackered prices reflect the possibility of its use in a flying project.
There was a very nice rebuild project offered recently at around the £5K mark, just to give you an indication….
HTH
Now i wonder when the RASH markings were added??
Anyone?
Added in 1987 when it was removed for refurbishment at RAF Abingdon, returned resplendant in 612 (County of Aberdeen) Sqn RAuxAF markings.
I assume Mark 12’s photo was taken just after its return.
HTH
ZE693
Formerly at ‘The Snipe’ public house (he of the Vulcan debacle) now fully assembled on the lawn at Everetts stately pile near Ipswich.
Sadly there is no intact FRS1 left (in the UK) – the nearest thing is the composite in the FAAM at Yeovilton, which attached an FRS1 nose from XZ493 onto most of Harrier GR3 XV760
India has at least one FRS51 on show; at Dabolim Museum IIRC.
No mystery about this cockpit, its been on display in the upstairs gallery since circa 1990.
Came from the old Birmingham Museum of Science and History where it was displayed in their aviation gallery along with the Spitfire and Hurricane now in the ‘Think Tank’ museum.
There’s enough circumstantial evidence to suggest its a mkIV serial T5298 although nothing has been found on the exhibit to prove this.
I’m not aware of any connection to the RAFM as it has been with the Birmingham museum since the 50’s.
Regards
At the end of the day they are worth what someone is prepared to pay. There has been a slow but steady stream going into private owners hands (ones at Shoreham, Topsham, Corsham and ‘Oxfordshire’ come to mind) plus the one which went to the states.
I know what the Midland Air Museum paid for theirs direct from the MoD and although it was 4 figures it wasnt anywhere near the £10K mark .
That said there is now a finite supply in the short term with the last Shawbury ones off to India, of those left available in the UK the condition is getting worse with each one sold – hence more needs to be spent to make a presentable example.
The JetArt one is probably the most complete example around, but knowing how much is required to buy a HUD, MFU’s and an ejector seat to name but a few parts mising from all those sold off by the MOD, the price this is expected to make is probably not that exteme.
Sadly this out of the reach of all but the most commited collector…
Chris, the cockpit c/n plate is just above the main crew door. This will have the c/n for the cockpit and the mod state for the aircraft / cockpit.
Hint: yours should read SH1644 making it a Shorts built one 😉
Regards
This is one picked up when going through the proof reading back in April and questioned.
However having spoken directly to the guys at Meteor Flight, they confirmed that most of WS760 had indeed left for the Aeropark collection, although as stated its yet to turn up on their site.
The centre section is still at Yatesbury awaiting moving, but as to the whereabouts of the rest, I can only assume its with EM Aeropark, but stored offsite. The last noted date is taken from W&R21.
Any further clarification as to its whereabouts greatly received !