Ah, but Rob, do you know the story as to why it was missing in the first place…… 😉
I picked up a copy of ‘Air Transport Hulks 86’ by the Aviation Data centre, many years ago.
It contained a picture of York CF-HM? in Arctic Wings livery, post crash, located ‘near Hudson bay’ with the comment “thought still present 1985”
I remember being amazed that such a rare aircraft was still laying abandonded into the 1980’s.
Its worth noting that the detachable pen nib section at the rear is not from the same airframe. That came off XA801, formerly on RAF Stafford gate prior to it being done to death by the scrapman. Hence its been outside a lot longer than the rest of the aircraft.
That said XA699 has still been at the museum 25 years + 😮 it seems only yesterday I was sitting on the wing drilling out thousands of rivets so we could seperate the inner and outer wing sections for transport……
It looks like ‘JR505’ in which case its being looked after by its owner in Coventry.
The picture would appear to be taken whilst it was at the Midland Air Museum, where it was on loan / display for a while.
Then again I could be wrong (thought I would add the disclaimer before someone else comes along to correct me)
Not meaning to be pedantic Jagx204, but the green blanking plates you see are actually for the Sundstrand constant speed drive unit, which is still fitted, and is blanked off because the Alternator has been removed. The starters are actually behind the front engine bulkheads you see in the picture, and appear very much present and correct to me.
The forked pipes you see in the picture feed cool air to the CSDU from a NACA duct located under the intakes, through the forward engine bulkhead, into the CSDU. These have nothing to do with inhibiting the engine, and will have simply been removed for access.
Cheers
Flipflopman
I stand corrected and bow to flipflopmans obvious superior intellect in things Vulcan.
Memory can be a funny thing, since the spares recovery was 23 years ago 😮 I obviously have been deluding myself for a long time.
It still happens today.
I have it on good authority that the cockpit of Jaguar XX846 and a couple of sets of wings, from RAF Coltishall, ended up in a landfill site in Wales ! Seems bizarre to me but its apparently true.
Looking at the one of the engins, there appears to be some pipes missing, were then removed by the RAF to inhibit the engines or something?
p_j
The starters were removed from all 4 engines ( the green blanking plates can be seen on a couple of the pics) these had cooling ducts connected to them which were also disconnected.
There were also some other bits and bobs from the airframe spares recovered and quite a lot from the cockpit. The NAV Plotter and AEO areas had most of the visible kit removed – those fitted in the photo’s were replacements found later, I recall some came via Nigel Spurr (now owner of two shiny Canberra PR9’s)
72 Sqn Vampires:
F1,s (Feb 1947 – 1948)
TG289/FG H, TG293/FG A, VF304/FG T, VF309/FG W, VF329/FG K
F3’s (1948 – Mar 1950)
VT821/FG A, VT822/FG E, VT865/FG V, VT872/FG W, VV194/FG B
F5’s (Mar 1950 – 1952)
VV527/L, VV544/V, VZ182/A, VZ260/B, VZ272/D, VZ304/N, WA217/C, WA361/F, WA428/H
Info courtesy of Fighter sqn’s of the RAF by John D R Rawlings, published by Macdonald
HTH
Although I dont have access to my library at present, IIRC: SE-CAU suffered a landing accident and fire whilst employed as a target tug and was subsiquently used as a source of spares for the rest of the fleet. hence its somewhat denuded appearance now.
I’ll check the details when I’m back home tonight.
Yes well checked now back home and der I got it wrong 😮
SE-CAU was not involved in an accident and this was obviously a figment of my imagination.
4 Fireflys were lost to accidents: SE-BRC, SE-BRF, SE-BRI and SE-BRM. (info courtesy of Firefly the operational record -Airlife)
Lesson learned do not try and reply whilst somewhere other than at home amongst ones books and records….
I wasn’t aware that SE-CAU had crashed. Did it happen on the way to Holland?
Although I dont have access to my library at present, IIRC: SE-CAU suffered a landing accident and fire whilst employed as a target tug and was subsiquently used as a source of spares for the rest of the fleet. hence its somewhat denuded appearance now.
I’ll check the details when I’m back home tonight.
Since you don’t know the terms of the deal how can you comment on how good a deal it was? You’ve no idea how much cash or other what other services accompanied the Firefly in exchange for the Spitfire so surely you have no grounds to comment?
Robbo: dictionary definition of a forum:
n 1: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion
So why precisely have I no grounds to comment ? Are you saying that no one is allowed to express an opinion, if so this forum will become a pretty dull place……..
If you bother to read my post, I stated ‘I hope there is more to this deal than currently apparent’. From the facts currently in the public domain the swap/ sale or whatever of a complete and restored ( to static display) Spitfire for about 50% of a crashed Firefly does seem like a good deal.
If you have further information – please share it and aleiviate a number of peoples quite obvious concerns.
Thanks to all those who contributed to the answer to the original question (and the interesting digressions along the way)
I share the suprise (shock) of some of our Dutch friends at this transaction, seems a VERY good deal for someone, seeing the condition of the Firefly concerned. I hope there’s more to this deal than is apparent at present, otherwise the Dutch preservation movement is somewhat poorer as a result.
Percival Proctor V G-AGTC
Oliver, assuming its G-AGTC it was a Percival Proctor V, and the info I have from British Civil Aircraft Register is it was damaged beyond repair 2/5/1969, at Malaga Spain.
HTH
Mark, in no way wishing to teach granny to s@ck eggs, when we moved WF922 from Cambridge Airport we kept the fuselage complete removing just the tailplane and vertical fin. The engines were removed from the wings and the wings then seperated at the fuselage by removing the mainplane wing bolts and undoing a whole bunch of screws connecting the wing to fuse fillets……
The fuselage was transported on a ‘trombone’ extending trailer with a police escort, I’ve some photos somewhere of the whole thing arriving at Coventry if your interested
HTH
Suffolks Secret Airforce
There is now a whole squadron of Jaguars at the former RAF Bentwaters, all with the ‘Everett Airforce’ as I think he’s running out of space at Sproughton. The full list (as of the weekend) is:
XX737 Jaguar GR3A EE Private
XX832 Jaguar T2A EZ Private
XX838 Jaguar T4 FZ Private
XZ118 Jaguar GR3A FR Private
XZ356 Jaguar GR3A FU Private
XZ360 Jaguar GR3A FN Private
XZ361 Jaguar GR3 FT Private
XZ366 Jaguar GR3A FC Private
XZ369 Jaguar GR3A EU Private
XZ385 Jaguar GR3A FT Private
XZ396 Jaguar GR3A EQ Private
XZ400 Jaguar GR3A FQ Private
Plus another 10 at Sproughton 😮
Regards