The road running example is the ex Booker one, ironically returning to Bournemouth Museum.

Auction Results – any new locations?

So the Auction took place on the 10th June.

The aviation exhibits made the following:

Lot number 124
Description Saunders-Roe Skeeter AOP.12 Helicopter
Hammer value £5,400

Lot number 114
Description Rolls-Royce Avon Jet Engine
Hammer value £600

Lot number 126
Description Penn Smith Gyrocopter
Registration G-AXOM
Hammer value £600

Lot number 125
Description Flying Flea Aircraft
Hammer value £800

Anyone on here make a purchase?

More likely this:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?135245-F4F-en-route-to-England&

Rich last one (promise)

Quote: The new Browns Lane Site is not Browns Lane as was in 1963. Unless you’re building the cars in someone’s front room, as its now a housing estate.

Actually Track 7 and the service workshops (which is where these 6 examples are built) is part of the original Browns Lane site, I have been visiting here for years both before and after demolition of the rest of the factory.

Track 7 is still used to build all Jaguar Production Prototypes, before being sent down the main production lines

These facilities and the adjacent Veneer Manufacturing Centre complex are all that remain of the original factory footprint, but its the same buildings as in 1963..

Mark12, I quite agree Spitfire or Jaguar, the engineering aspects of these builds is a joy to behold and cherish in a world where ‘craftsmanship’ is rarely found.

Apologies, but a response on some points.

Mark,

You should know better then…

They’re not VINs, they’re purely body/build numbers, VIN’s didn’t come into use until way later. So if the last car of the new batch was something like 850023 they can still make many many more, as other models don’t share the build number.

They are the unique identifiers for the cars in question (despite semantics on the description) and were taken out at the time (not just invented 50 years later)

So, despite all the hoohah, none of these cars should really be eligible for the company’s own Heritage Certificate. Why? Because the numbers don’t appear in the company’s order book for the period. This laying claim to ‘6 VINS at the time’, do you not think this would have come to light with the written works of Andrew Whyte, Nigel Thorley, or perhaps someone like Peter Wilson who used to build the real lightweights?

– The numbers are in the build book ledger of the time, as was shown on the programme, so the company recognised that they were at least considering building 6 more and registered their unique build numbers in their ledger of record.

I realise that they’re outsourcing heavily this time around, but if we are to take this as a true continuation of the original; then you can’t do that, as it defeats the object of the exercise. Someone else has produced it and the company is naively trying to add a validity to it. Its falling flat though – they’re a nice piece of engineering but everyone knows where they came from, who made them, and what they really are. Order one from RS panels, get a C&G engine and get the JDC to agree its made from period parts and the DVLA will sign it off as an E-type for a fraction of the price.

I think you will find that JLR will have wrapped up exclusivity clauses in their dealings to prevent exactly what you say. Plus the DVLA recognise these as homologated vehicles from the era, which do not comply with current SVA regs, hence why they are not ‘road legal’ in the UK.

Lets look again at how much ‘Jaguar’ is in these.

Assuming I bought one of these cars. Could I get specialist parts for it through a Jaguar dealer (can for the production E-type.)? No. – try doing that for the original 12 either…
Can I get parts direct from Jaguar through the JDHT parts scheme (can for the production E-type) No.
Could I have done with an original car, bought from the factory at the time? Yes. – But not now as you elude too above.
Can I walk into CMC, RS Panels, and get the bits? Yes. I can check, but I doubt these will be on free vend for contractual reasons.

As for Pressed Steel Fisher supplying bodies, that was largely for the saloon cars, and Jaguar later became part of the same company through BMC (later BL). Pressed Steel never made the E-type either, it was Abbey Panels, so its pointless. And neither built the lightweights, they were put built at Browns Lane -same as the C-types, D-types, XJ13 and all the true legends. – so were these 6 lightweights also built at Browns Lane

“why should the likes of Eagle etc be able to cream off the profit, it’s about time the original manufacturer had some of it as well.”

There’s your problem. If Jaguar wanted the money they should have protected their rights to the name and shape better – as do the German companies.

Keep up the good work, tell your bosses the F-type badly needs to go play on the Mulsanne. We need something British to cheer for. 😉

Regards,
Rich

I would suggest if this is to continue its moved to general discussion. Although its pretty clear myself and Rich are on different sides of this argument and unlikely to be swayed from our views…….

Nice cars all the same 😎

Rich, have to disagree.
The Company took out the 6 VINs at the time the production was underway. A replica can never have an original factory VIN, it always has a surrogate. No car company produced every part in house, they always rely on sub suppliers to provide component parts. Admittedly the engine plant originally used no longer exists, so they used a supplier to manufacture, using original tooling etc where available. Jaguar has used motor panels (or whatever their called now) and Pressed steel Fisher to supply bodies for years, so again they are a supplier.

Is there an element of marketing in all this – yes of course, why should the likes of Eagle etc be able to cream off the profit, it’s about time the original manufacturer had some of it as well.

And without wanting to open the can of worms, but they are more authentic and original than a lot of flying WWII fighter types gracing the sky at airshows – so are they all replica’s…..

I now have to admit my bias – I work for jaguar, hence my ID

It was not sourced via Everett’s, came direct from QinetiQ I believe.
There is a crew who are slowly rebuilding it to ground running, dependant on ECU’s and seats amongst other bits and they post updates via their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/TornadoZA326/

You need to join to view their posts.