And that’s exactly the point I was trying to make. Get someone out of the uniform or business suit and into casual clothes and they’re like eveybody else. I think “robban” was just looking to slam American’s. I’m surprised he didn’t follow up with something like “no wonder they have so much friendly fire, they’re just looking to blow something up”. :rolleyes:
Well, for your information I’m not out to slam Americans. And I’m insulted that you think I was. I do think however that a fighter pilot should show some form of professionalism even when they’re not wearing their uniform. You seem to be OK with that kind of behavior, so I’m not gonna go any further with this. But please, in the future, stop assuming you know my thoughts. Not everyone is out to slam the U.S.
Well keep telling yourself that. :rolleyes:
You obviously dont know any swedish fighter pilots, that’s for sure. If they were half as immature as those USAF/USN pilots, they’d never been allowed to fly in the RSwAF, period.
Do you think pilots are different everywhere else or something?
I know they are. At least here in Sweden.
http://www.alert5.com/2006/04/fa-18f-guns-down-f-22a.html
A Falcon, a Hornet, an ex-Tomcat and a Strike Eagle pilot have commented on the picture.
Interesting read.
Surely there must be some requirements on mental maturity for fighter pilots in the US? :confused: Some of those guys act like a couple of 5 year olds!
There’s an F-22 in the gun sight of a Super Hornet.
The Hornet won this one. End of story. I’m sure the F-22 is a better fighter than the SH in many ways. But some of you guys act like you got your feelings hurt.
again there are others who dont think highly of its features…
And I’m trying to be realistic about it. The F-22 is just an airplane. Sure it has some excellent features. But the Super Hornet is also very manouverable. I just don’t see why there should be a reason to doubt the HUD shots. That’s just ridiculous IMO.
Ok, so the F-22 got killed by a SH? What’s the big deal? Serioulsy I think some people think WAY too much of the F-22. Sure it has some (very) good features, but so does the SH, even without thrust vectoring.
I’m not surprised at all.
Here’s a link to a loadout chart of the Gripen. 🙂
http://www.gripen.com/download/18.86359107460425368000879/Packing_Iron.pdf
LOL.
It sounds logical, of course. Ok, i’m not willing to debate on a nationalistic way, but were you denying the Dassault’s “savoir faire” ?I prefer considering these figures as estimations. 😉
He he. Let’s put it this way instead. The Rafale seems to match the Eurofighter in terms of pitch rate quite well, even if it’s not as unstable. The french has done a good job I’d say. 🙂
The Rafale rocks!
Robban,
What’s the source of those instability rates?
Thanks.
It was a topic in a Swedish airplane magazine called “Flygrevyn”. But it was probably 10 years ago. They compared the three eurocanards. I have no idea how accurate the numbers are though. I remember reading that the Rafale was spared form serious accidents because it wasn’t as unstable as for example the Gripen. Probably just speculations. But it sounds logical. Perhaps the French has increased the instability of the Rafale over time?
Small plane, big punch.




which plane is more unstable???
In the Swedish language there is something called “dubbleringshastighet”. I don’t know the correct translation is in english. But this word is used when discussion the amount of instability built into the different plattforms.
The numbers are as follows.
Rafale – 0.7 seconds
Gripen – 0.4 seconds
Typhoon – 0.3 seconds
A stable airplane needs to be forced into a turn by applying negative lift on the tail causing it to pitch. An unstable airframe always wants to pitch up or down. A computer is needed to balance the aircraft so that it doesn’t depart from flight. If a Rafale for example starts an unwanted pitch and the computers doesn’t do anything about it, the pitch rate will double for every 0.7 seconds. For theTyphoon it is 0.3 seconds. Meaning that the Typhoon is much more unstable. And it’s computers must react much faster to stop an unwanted pitch up.
Man, I suck at this. Hope I made myself clear enough. 🙂
Minimum landing-speed of Saab Viggen : 220 km/h or 119 kts
Sweden is metric. Otherwise the same as above.
195km/h for a STOL landing. 🙂
the JA-37 is the end result of the Mirage III success and a solution to fix the Mirage III flaws and shortcomings.
Hmm, I think the experiences with the shortcommings of the Draken, rather than that of the Mirage III, led to some of the aerodynamical sollutions for the Viggen. 😉
However the JA-37 upgrades i guess they are quit sophisticated does any body know the JA-37 upgrades packages?[/B]
The D upgrade was quite extensive. The PS/46 radar was greatly improved, detection range was actually doubled. Some systems were even more advanced than those used in the JAS 39 Gripen. New cockpit displays in conjunction with the datalink helped to increase the overall SA. Plus AMRAAM capability.
There’s much more. Some friends of mine worked as technicians on the JA37D. I’ll see if they’re willing to share some more info. 🙂