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  • in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2245466
    robban
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    Info taken from a finnish forum. maanpuolustus.net The finnish air force operated both types.

    Draken advantages:
    – a better weapons system (especially the radar)
    – a more user friendly cockpit
    – a higher top ceiling
    – more maneuverable at high altitude
    – higher instantaneous turn rate
    – a much greater range (more fuel, more fuel efficient engine)
    – a somewhat better ability to operate from dispersed sites(shorter landing distance, alot easier to maintain)
    – a higher T/W ratio on dry thrust

    MiG-21 advantages:
    – a better sustained turn rate
    – a higher T/W ration on afterburner
    – higher top speed
    – better climb rate on afterburner

    in reply to: Question about Instantaneous Turn Rates #2238409
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    if you take a look at Gripen in subsonic flight, you will note that the canards are working overtime in keeping the aircraft in check,
    and in fact this increase drag at low speeds, but it comes into its own at supersonic speeds, which it was built for.

    The canard is creating lift in front of the CG when it’s active, and contrary to a LERX, it can be stowed away when it’s not needed, creating a minimum amount of drag at all altitudes and speeds. Alot of people seem to think that the canard kills lift in order to stop the aircraft from over pitching, but we must not forget the elevons. Instead of the canards applying negative lift, the elevons increase the lift in the back by lifting the tail. Therefore the canards can relax a bit and at worst give no lift at all, but very seldom kill lift.

    On the Gripen the canards are mainly used for pitch and the elevons are used for trim(and roll). On the Rafale it’s the opposite. The elevons are used for pitch(and roll) and the canards are used for trim. The Rafale has huge elevons and small canards, the Gripen has huge canards and small elevons.

    Below, balanced lift provided by the canard, the main wing and the elevons.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/griplift.jpg

    in reply to: Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3 #2269960
    robban
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    I made this mod in photoshop a while back. It’s just my representation on what the NG might look like when it is finished. The end product may very well differ from this. Who knows? 🙂

    This is what the Gripen E/F is supposed to look like. Note the DSi.

    http://www.tecnodefesa.com.br/admin/public/files//Gripen_NG_Demonstrator2.jpg

    in reply to: Sweden, Linköping airshow 2012-06-02/03 #488683
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    Thanks Wyvernfan! Seeing, hearing and feeling the Viggen again was fantastic. The RM8 on full afterburner is not to be underestimated! 🙂

    in reply to: Sweden, Linköping airshow 2012-06-02/03 #489085
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    Thanks “Eh”Team! Glad you like the pics! 🙂

    in reply to: Norway, Kjevik AP Airshow 2012 #490174
    robban
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    Awesome shots! Wish I had been there! 🙂

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2307805
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    at least e know where robban stands in the matter: “unobjective pro-gripen”, right? 😉

    Well, I try to be. 😀

    I don’t think a person has to be pro Gripen in order to see the extreme flaws in the report.
    😉

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2308075
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    The M1.2, M1.6 were certainly achieved clean or almost clean while the gripen in switzerland should have carried some external stores or smaller fuel tanks to attend the test in a realistic config.

    Speculations. Truth is we don’t know.

    I think the article is anti gripen because of its not so satisfactory performance. Not the reverse.

    I’m well aware of were you stand in the matter.

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2308089
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    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.fr/2011/12/visit-to-gripen-saab-executives-say.html

    It has exceeded M 1.6. Is it capable of more in it’s currect form? It doesn’t say. We can only speculate. The Swiss testflight didn’t reach M 1.6 even though the aircraft is capable of it. It tells me that top speed wasn’t a priority during the flight. The article tries to turn speculation into facts. I need more.

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2308095
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    in any case, it seems to have had dissapointing top speed during the tests…

    True, if the article has any connection with reality that is. It is obviously very unobjective and anti-Gripen.

    in reply to: Rafale Thread #13 #2308131
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    The report states that the inlets of the Gripen NG has yet to be enlarged. This is completely untrue. How are we to take the article seriously if it can’t get such a small detail right.

    It’s like the LM propaganda that the Gripen C/D wasn’t NATO compatible, that it didn’t have an IFR capability etc. :rolleyes:

    The Gripen NG has had enlarged intakes implemented even before its first flight.

    The Gripen E/F will sport DSI.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2338185
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    I fail to see how an F-16, with its draggy LERX’s ,short fuselage, stumpy draggy tail and high wingloading can compare favourably to the Gripen in the drag compartment.

    IMO, the Gripens major advantage against other airframes is it low drag.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2338252
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    True for the SH, untrue for F 16; it
    has a lower drag then the Gripen

    According to Norwegian F-16 pilots, the Gripen C/D turns tighter and climbs faster than their F-16 MLU.
    Granted, several other factors come into play here, but it gives (at least to me) a hint that Gripen enjoys a less draggy airframe.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2342608
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    The control stick in the Gripen has a small stop which is the 9G limit. With a little force the pilot can pull through this stop, which allows for 12G.

    in reply to: Saab JAS 39 Gripen Info # 2 #2337230
    robban
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    The final shape of the E/F Gripen? Probably not, just my personal take on it. The Gripen DEMO was good leap forward, but not bold enough IMO.
    A longer wingspan, longer fuselage and divertless intakes will however change the appearance of the Gripen quite a bit.

    I wonder how daring the people at SAAB will be! 🙂

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/Gripen_NG_Demonstrator2.jpg

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