Steve,
I appreciate your comments, and respect your opinions. After all, we Steves must stick together.
Thanks again.
SRP
Personally, I’m in the M. Hiscock club (no, not that club). Just little ‘ole me using my own name.
…well it looks like today it’s my turn to take on the mantle of miserable old scrot…This looks like complete clart to me.
And you say I’m edgy! All aviation films, by their very nature, have redeaming qualities. Even that total piece of **** film “Pearl Harbor” had some redeaming value, due to it’s aviation content.
You’re just a nasty, bitter little man, Jones. 😉
An example of recreations which I think do not hit the mark are the atomic bomb drop recreations from ‘Fifi’ (do they still happen?) How a small pyrotechnic explosion can convey the damage that an atomic bomb can do is beyond me. In what way does that demonstration convey the radiation that the victims suffered and the very many left dead? A question to anyone who has actually been to one of these events, how many people are stood telling their children about the wider context and how many stand there and cheer or gasp because a big ball of flames has gone up?
Steve Hatton.
Steve,
I took Andy and Vanessa to Midland for the CAF Airshow this past Oct., so maybe you can get a British point of view on this topic also. Yes, the bomb drop from the B-29 is still the close of the airshow. It now occurs after a politically correct announcer describes that the show is not to glorify war, but to cause a moment of reflection on the horrors of war. The crowd stands, in silence, as taps is played. I have found it a time for personal reflection, as do most of the audience members in my opinion.
Now, I will tell you that in my opinion this is not a time to reflect on the damage inflicted on the civilians of Hiroshima. The airshow is of American airpower, and is mainly for Americans. Dropping the bomb on Hiroshima saved, by some estimates, over 100,000 American lives by avoiding an invasion of the Japanese homeland. Many Japanese civilians died as a result of this attack. Well, yes that’s true. Many also died in the raids on Tokyo. And many Americans died in the Battan Death March. It was war, and it’s what we are accurately remembering and reflecting on IMHO. We’re forgetting how to war, and that, I fear, is a far more terrible sin.
“They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind…”
Sir Arthur Harris, Marshall of the RAF
Thanks Dave for the compliment, although I believe many others on here said the same thing I did.
Time is the great healer when it comes to conflict. However, wounds between the Allies and the Axis heal at a different pace for all of us. There are many US WW2 vets who will have nothing to do with any Japanese or Germans. As time progresses they become more and more of a minority, but some of this hatred will run for generations.
It is difficult to be a war historian without showing favoritism for the “Home Team”. I’ve not been to Hiroshima, but if I have the opportunity I promise to try and be more compassionate than the group of Japanese students who I encountered on my last visit to Pearl Harbor. But to your point Dave, if I were in the Red Lion and the darts came out, well you can bet that I’d be lobbing a few thousand pounders myself. Does that make me insensitive? Well, I wouldn’t do it if we were sitting in the Red Lion with a group of Germans who were bombed out of Berlin or Dresden.
And finally, a little story. When Andy and Vanessa were here this Fall we visited over an antique map that is in my living room. I think I may have even called it a “war trophy” as I teased poor Jones about the Empire. Andy, to his credit, stood his ground with sayings such as “If you colonials hadn’t been so lazy we might have stayed in America and continued bringing civilization to you undeserving wretches”. Two hundred odd years ago it would have been muskets, but that evening we did our dueling with words, and pints. All in good fun, and not meant to hurt anyone.
Here are some photos of the map, just in case you British forgot what the Empire used to look like before we kicked you out. 😀
Abingdon, May 2004
“Gas Tuna” -universal warbird pilot expression used to refer to a back seat passenger who is only along to pay the fuel bill. See also “Hotel Tuna” and “Dinner Tuna”.
“GIB” -Guy In Back. A passenger.
Contract 18775-P by the Aero Leather Clothing Co. of N.Y. is the one I was thinking of, although, strictly speaking, the original colour of the lining is described as Mustard, and it should also have distinctive khaki stitching.
The lining may have been replaced at some time (no label or label stictching) but the distinctive Red/Rust coloured knit on the cuffs and waist is a good indication that it is one of these A-2’s.
Nice……. 🙂
Thanks Firebird. Yes, the lining has been replaced. It appears to be a wartime job. The material is Olive Drab, from a uniform I imagine. Also, the addition of an inside pocket and lining the sleeves were probably done by the original owner.
The cuffs and waist appear original. Here are a couple more shots.
Thanks again for the info!
Oh, sorry…this isn’t a chat room. Back on topic.
I think it’s OK to pretend to blow up and shoot our former enemies just like Grand Dad did in the old days. Hollywood and all these re-enactors do it everyday. It’s not mean spirited or evil, it’s just a tie-in with the past. A way to re-live history.
The weather here was **** all morning yesterday, then it turned beautiful CAVU around 1pm. I though “Great, I’ll get the plane out first thing in the morning and I can get a couple of hops in”.
This morning, very grey and very low ceilings. ******* weather. Might as well be in Britain.
Were’s me ****in cuppa…
Well, if you had a Tora Tora T-6 Zero with a smoke system I can guarantee that everyone would have a go. “And now ladies and gentlemen, if you look to your left you can see the Lancaster in a dogfight with that most nimble opponant, the Zero. Oh, the Zero goes down in flames!”
OK, time to get back on topic. Some of you are offended that anyone would consider playing this board game today. Well, how is it any different than going to an airshow and seeing the P-51 shoot down the Japanese Zero. They always do, you know. The Mustang tail chasses the Zero around for a few passes and then the poor Zero pilot turns on his smoke system and dives away. This is the standard T-6/Zero vs. P-51 Mustang act that I’ve been seeing played out since my first airshows in the early ‘70s.
I don’t recall ever seeing the Zero shoot down the Mustang…
Oops, I must have stumbled into the GD Forum by mistake… 😉
I think Damien’s version of the board game is totally insensitive and offensive. I’ll take two, please. 😀
Pssst. I think Snapper’s the one with the glasses, meine fraulein.
Well, my first choice is always a turbine, as the reliabily can’t be beat. The cost will continue to come down and more and more small turbines will end up in GA aeroplanes. As for diesel aviation engines I’ll probably just stick with the old tried and true avgas, air cooled, piston engines that we’ve been testing for the last 100 years.
Of course, never say never…