What other option is there, if the Meteor is late. Typhoons only long range MRAAM is the AMRAAM?
They could probably integrate Astra- that should be ready in time. And if they have full ToT they might even be able to get the software done before the planes are even delivered.
They’ve gone from F-35b (stovl) to the c variant, which is CATOBAR.
My gut feeling right now says “Rafale!”.
Anyway another opinion story on the shortlist:
An industry source just couldn’t stop talking about the superiority of the American aircraft, and obviously was totally dejected over the Indian rejection and was finding it difficult to accept it.
I bet Scooter is said industry official. Or maybe Pfcem. :p
Somewhat off topic, but I was a little surprised to see that they are developing a J/APG-2 in Peter G’s link (I knew they were doing something like this for ATD-X), but I knew little else. Some googling revealed more info:
http://f22j.blog118.fc2.com/?mode=m&no=130
The translation is bad, but they talk about the Typhoon, and integration of the J/APG-1 on the F-15 (which apparently is untenable because of F-15 licensing issues).
I believe the intention of Sukhoi is to make enemy pilots vomit in their helmets from the heinous Flanker paint thus precluding them from engaging the Flanker in combat. Actually though I like the black and white one. The other two- definitely not fabulous.
Maybe this will give Eurofighter more incentive to be proactive about integrating an AESA antenna, more a2g capabilities, and other neat things like PIMAWS.
I suppose an interesting question is why the Soviet Union never came up with real stealth. Ufimtsev’s Theory of Physical Diffraction was produced in the Soviet Union, but was not considered important enough to classify. The theory of Physical Optics was well known, and there were other ways of computing the RCS of an aircraft. They did have access to computing resources capable of doing crude calculations. They had access to a crashed D-21 drone, which, while outdated, would have given them some ideas- chining, re-entrant triangles on leading chine/edge, composite skin.
Curved surfaces are the norm on modern stealth aircraft, so the Soviet approach was not too far off, and the logical course for evaluating the PTD equations (or any other sort of computational modeling task) on a computer is to discretize your system- in the case of the F-117, it meant dividing the surface into planar surfaces, which carried over into the design of the aircraft itself. I suppose it is very odd though to carry over an artifact of your modeling studies into the actual aircraft geometry. But it probably is not too big of a jump. I think the only thing they were missing was edge alignment (and that’s a big issue).
I suppose hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps the Soviets were not faced with the same challenges that confronted western designers- i.e. a dense SAM network protecting the USSR. Maybe it is just a case of mirror imaging US systems against Soviet systems. And after all, HAVE BLUE was nearly shelved and put away without any further study as I recall reading, until it became apparent that the B-1 was incapable of handling Soviet air defenses, so the US almost didn’t design stealth aircraft either. Maybe they just never really tried to design a stealth aircraft, as it may have not fit their needs or doctrine.
Awaiting the UAE
DSI special edition , August 2010As you can see: neither radar or EW on Rafale was capable of competing with F-16.
Put another way: How’s your 15 year ole computer doin’ these days ?
still bleeding edge ?On 1+ ton agile missiles, refer to Newtons 2nd law of motion
How do you go from, “The current SPECTRA is working well and even very good,” to “neither radar or EW on Rafale was capable of competing with F-16”?
I think the F-16 is more underpowered than the Rafale. And I think the Rafale did do its trials with the AESA (not the production version though).
The Aegis system used by the US navy and others is Japanese technology .
So , Japan does make exceptions to the non-permit practice.
Aegis is American. The SM-3 RIM 161 missile is a joint US/Japanese design.
Ugh. Great, so Russia remains without a targeting pod of any kind.
Well they could buy/use the Sapsan. It is inferior to Damocles, but I bet it would still get the job done.
@Taygibay
It turns out you were right. The APG-63 v(2) entered service in 2000, and the F-2 with J/APG-1 entered service in 2001 because of structural problems with the wing.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/n19991208_992202.htm
Eighteen F-15C aircraft will be modified with an APG-63(v)2 active electronically scanned array radar using APG-63(v)1 radar components.
The new system also includes a new advanced identification friend or foe system and upgrades to the environmental control system. The modified F-15Cs will be stationed at Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska, by December 2000.
http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/mitsubishi_f2.htm
The first XF-2A recorded the type’s maiden flight on 7 October 1995. In late 1995 the Japanese government approved a programme for the manufacture of 130 aircraft with an entry into service scheduler for 1999. Delays resulting from modifications to cure structural problems delayed the F-2’s entry into operational service until 2001. The current production programme calls for production of 83 F-2A single-seaters and 47 F-2B two-seaters. Retaining full combat capability, these have a fuel capacity reduced by 685 liters. The F-2Bs will be used for conversion and proficiency training, replacing Mitsubishi T-2s.
Swerve
If there is some old belief that Europe does not do AESA then your information will sure reduce / dispel it. Now the question is – If Europe does AESA then why is lagging in fighter AESA? Is Europe AESA equally good? Can European AESA be economical for exports? Whether European AESA base cane be easily movable to fighter AESA or that is whole different kettle of fish?
If we’re talking about fighter aircraft, usually the radar and the plane are integrated together, so if a customer buys a European aircraft it will get a Euro AESA radar. You get the whole package, so you need to compare the platforms themselves, not just the radar. From what I understand the European AESA radars are fairly close to the US radars in terms of performance. The Rafale AESA is similar to the Block 60 F-16 AESA and the Eurofighter AESA is close to that of the F-35, at least in terms of range.
The RBE2 AESA is in production- that means it is ready to be placed on an in-service (or newly built) aircraft and used. It’s not a question of whether the Europeans can develop a fighter AESA or not. They did so with AMSAR in the 90’s, and they are already producing production fighter AESA’s (RBE2 AA and Vixen 500E).
Taygibay:
The first fighter AESA was on the Mitsubishi F-2 I think.
i don’t ever recall it was painted blue?
It always looked blueish to me.

It’s so stealthy you can’t even tell the color.