Pete, the Engine is from a local crash site, the fellow has all the history on it. I did not realise that tower at High Garrett was on a former POW camp. We all get to learn something eh?:)
Then on to Gosfield, lots of runway left but little else
Have you been in the Control tower at Gosfield Pete? Sometimes the fellows that operate out of there will let you in for a look around. An old wartime mural on the wall by the stairs, a nice view from the roof, a ghost apparently..oh, and the remains of a P+W R2800 out on the airfield.





Yes that true enough, personally i have recovered some excellent finds deeply buried from complete hurricane control columns to almost undamaged merlins that would run again with a lot of money spent and to be fare they have granted ownership.
There you go merkle, he’s got one or two lying about according to an earlier post on another topic. Make him an offer:)
Well chris, seems like they have the view on insitue archeology, leave it all rusting away for someone else to find!!
No, not what I said fighterace. In theory, We would not be happy if the area we were interested in was dug by another group. Especially if that group found items and removed them and would not display the parts locally in context with the airfield they were found on.
if you want to dig one chris have a calilier attitude
I take it you meant ‘have a cavalier attitude’ I too have been involved with Aviation archaeology for the last thirty years. The last thing the Aviation Archaeology movement needs is a ‘cavalier attitude’ A wrong choice of words on your count Sir!
cripes !! ,it was only a suggestion, and searching with a mag is just as hard as with a detector,but if people dont act soon, it will be lost as the eyewitnesses are all dying off, !!
thats all i was implying
And I was not intending to pee on your parade merkle, just that for some airfield research groups, the finding of, and excavation of, an airfield dump is top on their list. We would not be happy having another group approaching the landowner, digging up and taking away artifacts we have been searching ages for.
It is how you worded it that comes across as being..well…greedy…to me at least!, and I did put a smiley thingy in the post to show it was meant in lightheartedness:) just like that!
I think the question of ‘will she fly again’ will be often asked by those with an interest, Lord knows I have asked myself the same thing every time I have seen NX611.
The comments are correct in that NX611 flying again would place the museum in the role of having its reason of existance removed. NX611 is in the best possible place for its future, joe public can get up close and personal with a Lancaster that would otherwise be ‘out of bounds’ like the remaining examples. I have had a love of Lancasters for more years than I care to think of, it took me from school age to being fifty years old before I ever set foot in one for the first time, and this I achieved a couple of years ago by taking a taxy ride in NX611.
Before then, the only option was gazing at ‘Sugar’ at Hendon, or Duxfords example. There was an eighty five year old former Lanc navigator, who lived across the road from me, who had tears in his eyes when I took him to see ‘Jane’ in his last year of life. For this reason alone the Heritage centre should stay as it is for the benefit of former Bomber Command aircrew who have not as many years as us to view the aircraft they went to battle in.
There is also something unique in the RAF Memorial flight Lancaster being the only airworthy specimen in the UK, you know it will receive TLC and be flown with its future well and truly catered for. NX611 has a decent roof over it’s head now and is looked after equally well by her keepers. If something (shudder!) drastic should ever happen to PA474 then I would still like to see NX611 remain at East Kirkby.
Hi,all
we could find a few of these and there would be plenty for everyone including museums etc ,lets find them before its too late,
by pooling all our knowledge together there could be a very impressive group, and doing the aviation world a favour by finding these places,i know of quite a few rumours over the years ,and one eyewitness definate .also they dont need licensing by the MOD as they are not crash sites,no rules cover the berial of what was then rubbish,any one up for the challenge
Thanks, but no thanks. I think the HAMG will keep poking about finding the odd bits and pieces ourselves. You lot would take the fun out of it:p
I should imagine it is Miss Hammond. Whoever it is deserves congratulations!
‘The War Lover’ had the well known scene where the B-17 literally cuts the grass and was filmed at Bovingdon Hertfordshire.
12’oclock high featured near the beginning, the scene where a B-17 comes in firing flares and bellies in across the grass before coming to rest with bent props. Quite sad to see, as I believe it was done for the film:eek: . 12’oclock high was based on the 100th BG(H) at Thorpe Abbotts UK. With the ficticious base name of ‘Archbury’, the filming did not take place in the UK, the airfield scenes at the start were done in Ohio USA.
One other option if no one can help, is to post this on the following URL..
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/fs-81805422nx79380.html
This is a specialist board where such details can be posted, Other very knowledgable people will certainly help you with your identification, by the way, your written English is very much better than any Dutch I could try and write:D ..Welcome to the forum D@nny!
all disused world war two airfields in britain should have been preserved
Well, maybe not all. Why?…Well for one thing many of these airfields were built for the duration only, and the land requisitioned under the Emergency powers Act of 1939. The original landowners did rightly want their land back after the war. So we see the reason why they have practically disappeared as visible airfields, and have returned to agriculture from whence they came.
I do agree that it would have taken great foresight, to have preserved in entirety, examples of airfields, be they Fighter stations, night fighter stations or Bomber airfields. With grass and hard runways, examples of expansion period airfields such as Bicester and Bassingbourne spring to mind. And a ‘Class A’ bomber airfield somewhere, as used by the Eighth and Ninth USAAF, would seem an ideal candidate for the ‘hostilities only’ airfields as built by the once great British Civil engineering companys, or the Engineering(Aviation) Battalions raised in the USA to build airfields here during the war.
It would also have taken great foresight to have saved one (at least) of every aircraft type in operation during the Second World War, but we have had that discussion several times before. Unfortunately no one had that foresight, unfortunately no one thought to save the airfields either. We just have to work harder to preserve what little we have now, before it crumbles away.
While this country has gone ‘green belt’ crazy about building on former airfields,it is not only here. Other countries also seem to have the same problem. but for us, it seems heritage counts as nothing any more.
Greed and profiteering from the acquisition of agricultural land, turned into development land, will rule the roost. Developers only have the £ note sign in their minds when looking at land. They will not see a place where the cream of youth took off daily, sometimes never to return. They will not see the empty buildings that echoed with their laughter and tears.
The following poem was read out at Hunsdon airfield on memorial day by the fellow who wrote it, I think it sums up how some of us feel about future development on former airfields…
Hunsdon Airfield
The brooks that rise about hunsdon
run lively, full and free,
I wish that you knew them as we do,
envisage what we see,
The deer in the early morning,
Fox and Badger at night,
Duck winging in at sunset,
Geese lifting off at first light.
Pike and Rudd with silver roach,
Give pleasure to such as we,
In ponds and lakes fed by the brooks,
fringe edged with reed and tree,
To net a fish, fulfill a dream,
Then gently to release,
For others to enjoy the same,
Tranquility and peace.
Moorhen,coot and water vole
make ripples at the edge,
Rustling through the rushes,
Purple loosestrife and the sedge.
If you are sitting still enough
The kingfisher displays
The iridescence of his breast,
much similar to the Jays.
I wish you might feel as we do
When you plan and design
to cover fields with asphalt
Diverting rain down lines,
Of surface water conduits
Depriving brook and stream
to become dried up stagnant sludge drains
Thats progress? and what it means?
Young men once lifted to the skies,
some never to return,
To fly home to Hunsdon
Our gratitude to earn.
The freedom of this precious land
with young blood was bought
Financial gain and profit
Brings their sacrifice…….to nought!.
Lewis Morrison
January 2005
Three names spring to mind as ace Mossy night fighter jocks – Cunningham: Braham: Bannock. But who was top?
Cunningham – legendary, but not the top scorer?
Braham – top scorer when shot down (and captured?) in mid-44.
Bannock – harvested V-1 buzz bombs over Southern England.
Anyone know the official scores of these pilots? Was anyone else in their league?
Many thanks.
G/C John Cunningham(RAF) 20 confirmed night kills
W/C Branse Burbridge(RAF) 21 confirmed night kills + 3 V1’s
W/C Russ Bannock (RCAF) 25 kills listed, of which 11 were night fighters +19 V1’s. I cannot find a definative score for this pilot. All reports give a different score:confused:
W/C Bob Braham is credited with 24 kills, I can find 20 actual night kills if you add up his scores. the others seem to be daylights, again not clear from the information I have.
The top scoring Night fighter Squadron however has to be 410 (RCAF) ‘Cougar’ Squadron, with 78.75 enemy aircraft destroyed, two probables and eight damaged.
Wing commander Branse Burbridge, DSO, DFC, of 85 Squadron and his Navigator F/L Skelton springs readily to mind as the best night fighter crew. According to sources, he shot down four aircraft in one night, three JU88-G’s and a Bf110.
Had the pleasure to meet this wonderful gentleman at the Hunsdon airfield memorial in 2005, he was then aged 92 but still took the reading. His score stands at 21 aircraft and three V1’s.
W/C Branse Burbridge DSO DFC addressing the crowd at Hunsdon airfield memorial dedication in 2005.
I’ll go along with that.
There were a couple of Sunderlands beached and then foundered against rocks along that coast.Allan
You are probably right, I cannot help looking at the way they seem to have been ‘gathered’ together, rather than if the airframe broke up over time and deposited engines and props where they fell or dropped off the wings. They seem too condensed in a small area than heavy objects like that to ‘wash’ together.
Anyone remember the Triumph Hurricane which was based on the triple ??
Remember? too right I do, I had one!… terrific bike.
Hello clave, different forum, different subjects;) You can guess who I am by the avatar:)