Don’t you read history? Where and when was any religion a source of Peace, Love and Justice? BTW, do you know any religious-controlled state that is a true democracy?

The Arab-Israeli conflict like the crusades have several religous causes as well as economic and politic.

First of all, Abraham the father of all Jews and Arabs was supposedly an inhabitant of what today is Kuwait and Iraq in the ancient city of Ur.

The promise land is a religious idea, Israel as a state is a religous idea.

Jerusalem is a holy city for Muslims, christians and Jews.

The current state of Israel is a product of political and religous solutions and the palestinian-Israeli conflict a clash of civilizations, a clash of cultures and a clash of different religions claiming property to the same holy sanctuaries and cities as place of worship.

These religions claim to have universal values for peace and to coexist in harmony and peace, they claim moral values based upon peace and love, justice and humanistic values.

This conflict is saddly a conflict where etnocentric values have eroded all the universal values of peace and human philantropy that these three religions preach.

As war it is no more than a politic and economic clash which is threating global peace but the ironic of this war is how three religions that supposedly talk about universal values and universal tolerance goodness and peace are defile by their folowers with an unholy war.

Bible is not a document, it is a book of tales. Or you want to claim the angels with balls of fire as historically credible?

No one is claiming or disclaiming the authenticity of the bible i am just saying what ironic is a war when the warring sides claim to be religious people who care about a God of Peace, love and Justice who gave them 10 commandments in which one says You shall not kill and no innocent should die for sins some one else commited or did not commit.

these two warring sides claims to be followers of a God of peace justice and truth a God that makes every one human a member of the human family but only do war and are far from the moral standards they suppose to protect.

They fight for a place to pray and the City of Peace “Jerusalem” yes ironic do war to get the city of Peace, kill the innocent to catch the criminal :rolleyes:

That is why i feel this war has no holy sense and meaning and like any war it`s base is economic and political despite it is disguised as a pious war where hate and intolerance is practiced by both sides and where weaponry is tested

No problem. If a Jew should come with a document claiming the land was his property, then he can have it back. But lemme guess, Jews don’t have any documents like that, right?

They have a document named bible, but the sad thing of these wars is a holy book that talks about peace justice means less than a tribal territorial integrity, from my personal point of view both sides claim religious reasons and God given rights over Jerusalem and the Holy land but niether jews or arabs want to keep inmacule the meaning of God as a God of peace, love and Justice.

Both sides are not following Godly principles and much less holy behavior that war gives a very bad reputation to holy things

There is a small castle (now a bit ruined) in Slovakia, in the vicinity of a town I was born in. According to our family tree and historical records the castle belonged to my direct ancestors (from father’s side) some hundreds of years ago, these unfortunately having a large part of it lost in a card duel with duke Rakoczi. Does it mean I can claim the castle as mine given my *naturally desire for my ancestoral property* and can justify taking over the castle even by using violence?

I do not think it is a matter of land, the question is a matter of religion, but for me it is very sad that all love and peace is the base of any monotheistic judaic based religion but these people kill when their commandments clearly state killing is a sin, that God is the God all of men and that justice is the prime aspect regulating morality.

It is so sad that the innocent dies when in these religions capital punishment is only for those commiting some sins.

As far i see i can not see any holy thing in that holy land and much less any holy thing in that war.

Jerusalem has salem meaning peace or in few words the city of peace but killing to rule over the city of peace and even going to war sounds quit ilogic.

They say God is the God of love, forgiveness justice and peace i guess who are they worshiping?

“In a war truth is the first casuality”

I agree 100%

Ekranoplans videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqrVs9oycM&search=ekranoplan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360&search=ekranoplan

OT&E is about maintenance and logistics, but it is still a test.
Is the training syllabus adequate?
Is missile loading and handling equipment adequate?
Is missile support and test equipment adequate?
Is the storage, shipping, and transportation capable?
Is the missile designed so it is easily maintained?
Does the missile suffer excessive failures due to repeated captive carry?
Have adequate spare parts been stockpiled?

There is a well defined test crew, defined number of sorties to be flown and defined test pass/fail criteria. Nonetheless, its still a test.

Undoutedly the IRIS-T was in operational tests at least in February 2006, as far as July 2006 i do not know in what operational status the IRIS-T is, however you have to remember the deliveries have already begun and will end up in 2011, production is on it`s way so even the IRIS-T has entered limited operational service in an experimental operational unit, the deliveries and production will continue very likely without any major hindrance and we can expect the deliveries will progress smoothly without any major set back because these operational test is the last phase of all tests and the begining of the wide deployment of the IRIS-T in all the Eurofighter squadrons

Exactly. What year is it?

SOC

Let`s see the facts known

The J-10 air to air missiles available are the PL-8, PL-9, PL-12, R-73 and R-77.

At this moment the Eurofighter weapons deployed are AIM-9, AIM-120, AIM-132 (ASRAAM) and IRIS-T

Known facts about the ASRAAM are it entered service in the RAF in 2001 and the IRIS-T is in production and entering operational service first in some experimental units and later in all front line Eurofighter units as early as February 2006.

The Eurofighter has supercruise at Mach 1.3, has two engines of 20,000lb each giving a combined thrust of 40,000lb whle the AL-31FN has only 27,557lb available.

The Eurofighter can fire AIM-120 at supercruise speed, can fire ASRAAMs and IRIS-Ts, the ASRAAM has a 180 deg engagement capability without HMS and 360 degree with HMS, same is with the IRIS-T.

The PL-9, R-73 can only get 40 degree and 60 degree of angular engagement respectively without HMS, with HMS cueing they can get 120 degree.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/defence_aerospace/downloads/combat/ej200.pdf

In the future Eurofighter will deploy Meteor which is in flight trials.

The canards in the Eurofighter are better positioned in front of the aircraft, so in few words the Eurofighter is a more advanced machine