Er, not sure you can rebuild a wooden aeroplane. :confused:
But I guess if you have the data plate…..
The reason the Vulcan is hopefully coming back on the display circuit is because she was just such an awsome beast to see, people loved her. How many times have you spoken to people who arn’t interested in planes but who have been to an airshow in the past and the first thing they want to talk about is seeing the Vulcan. The plane is an attraction in it’s own right. Should we ban the Utterly Butterlys or the many aerobatic aircraft from airshows just because they didn’t serve in the second world war? Just think of the money thats ploughed into them, I’m sure some of you will say thats a waste of money that could have gone to a more deserving cause! But of course then we would have to paint them in the sponsors colours and that stir’s up another hornets nest…. :rolleyes:
Sorry DGH, I cannot agree with this statement. TVOC took a perfectly servicable and revenue-earning ground-running airframe, dismantled it knowing that they didn’t have the funding to be able to put it back together, and then effectively blackmailed the public and the HLF into giving them the money by threatening to scrap it.
What if, the HLF had said no? The aeroplane would be incapable of being restored to it’s previous condition. It would no longer able to generate revenue. It would still incur costs in terms of hull insurance, hangarage, etc. In time, it would represent such a drain on resource as to make it’s scrapping a certainty.
All because TVOC took an unnecessary risk, and got their risk assessment wrong.
And these people want to put a four engined jet bomber into the sky above me.
Now maybe you see why I’m concerned. There is no room in aviation for reckless risk-takers.
Afternoon Steve, I dont think anyone can blackmail the HLF! I dont see taking the aircraft apart so it can be evaluated as being bad, we still have 2 other Vulcans that taxi. If it had been the only one then maybe it would be another story. Have TVOC got their risk assessment wrong? The project isn’t dead is it and it wont be these people putting the bomber back in the sky it will be Marshalls / Bae.
I think it’s fair to say that we all have different opinon’s on this. 😮
But we are all in agreement that TVOC’s info to the public has been rubbish at best. 🙂
A separate issue, but I certainly do, as do many of the crews operating them. Especially after the apparent in-flight wing failure on XV179 recently, followed by the USAF grounding a number of their earlier C-130s due to fatigue worries.
Ok Mike but a slightly different issue. 🙂
Excuse me, but isn’t the aircraft going to be maintained by Marshalls of Cambridge with assistance from Bae? Marshalls do alot of work on civil airliners like BA 747’s etc and all the work on the military Hercules. Are you all saying that the company is incompatent? If you are then I hope you don’t fly on any of the many airlines they work with and do you worry about the state of the Hercules fleet?
Well Kev, I think the thing about taking it apart is a bit of a chicken and egg argument but I dont believe Marshalls or Bae would have put there names to it had the viability not been thoroughly checked first. There is always a risk with doing anything and the risk of scrapping is one probably people would have been prepared to take. I dont personnelly think the threat to scrap will have motivated anyone. I would also love to see many of the now non flying types back in the air but as Lancman says we sometimes have to except that some aircraft are on the ground for good ( can we add TSR2 to the list please 😎 ), as a jet fan I have long since excepted this. As for the money, well one of the local council’s near me just spent more than that on a cycle bridge!
I think that the project was born out of the fact that alot of people are/were emotionally attached to the old girl and weren’t prepared to let her go. I personnely don’t mind a bit of a delay as it means more people that have never seen one fly will get the opportunity to see one during the brief period she is back.
As for the last line I’m afraid I am one of those people who believe it is better to try and fail than not to try at all. I dont think there is a single person who has given money that doesn’t realise that there is a real chance of failure, but they think it’s worth the risk.
Well here’s my 5 pence worth!
1. The way the general public has been kept informed about this project is rubbish.
2. I believe that the aircraft was stripped down to check that it was still in a condition that would alow it’s return to flight. No point in raising all this money just to find out the project should have been a no go from the start as something had gone undetected?
3. Is the threat to scrap it really that big a threat? There are a couple of Vulcans out there that people seem just to be wishing into a skip.
4. There is life outside of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 you know.
5. If there are other worthwhile causes out there then they are more than welcome to take the effort to put forward a lottery bid. If this money had not gone to the Vulcan it almost certainly would have gone to a non aviation related project.
6. Nothing good ever comes from negative thinking.
I have my own concerns over this project but I have donated money to it and I wish them all the best. I for one will be racing to an airshow to see it.
Fingers and toe’s crossed. 🙂
Having spoken to a couple of the guys on the panel at the CAA who make the decisions about what flys, that is the answer they gave me! Bae will not support the AEW2’s because of the wingspars as they are all life expired. If the South African MR3 was to come to this country I think you might find them abit more supportive. Air Atlantique have tried there best with the CAA but I dont think you’re going to find that anyone is going to sign the paperwork at the CAA after what Bae have said.
P.S. Welcome to the forum stukno 🙂
The problem with flying one of these ex-8 Squadron AEW2’s in this country is that Bae have told the CAA that all the wing spars are life expired – hence no-one at the CAA is prepard to take the risk.
Lovely 🙂
I’ve always thought that the stocks were a good invention. Take the little b*gg*rs to somewere where they dont know anyone, put ’em in the stocks in the town centre and let everyone through all the rotten veg etc they want at ’em. This country has gone soft, people do it because they know they can get away with it. Know in my day……….
XN728 in 1988 when perhaps we should have been having this conversation and not long before another F2A XN781 was scrapped at Leuchars.
P.S. This piccie is probably going to appear quite large, as someone who is new to posting piccies here can someone please point me in the direction of how I can make them smaller please – I ain’t no computer wizkid.
Er, if someone can resize my piccie then please do, ta.