Thanks Guys.
It’s a sad end to the story.
The models were nice and very specific to The Collection at Old Warden.
He was a very clever chap to have been able to design and produce them.
Andy
Yes Andy i remember that program:) it had Derrek Piggot on it talking about flying for films. He talked about the Villa Rides crash and flying under the bridge in the Blue Max in particular. It also covered flying for Magnificent Men.:D
Any idea if it still exists as a recording somewhere/anywhere?
The Mag Men connection makes it very interesting–for me at least.
A.
Another really knackered Spanish owned Tiger of unknown registration was used by Derek Piggott in the climax of the film to crash into the river bank after flying over the advancing Mexican rebels which were fording the shallow water. I think Charles drew the line at the risk involved in this particular caper. Derek was willing to give it a whirl as he had a great deal of experience in flying for the film industry.
Blue Max/ Skybolt et al.
I remember in the seventies there was an ITV children’s show called ‘Clapperboard’ hosted by a bloke called Chris Kelly.
It was basically a magazine about film, film making and the cinema.
I’m sure there was programme in that series about aviation and film making and the stunt quoted above was explained, as was the way the undercarriage on the Tiger was made to collapse.
B/M, I know you keep a track of these things–do you remember it?
Cheers
Andy
SFF
I have sent you a PM from sunny Bedfordshire.
The original recordings were made with the help of Dave Jones, who is still one of the PA volunteers at Old Warden. They were carried out in the 1970’s and as previously stated of a high quality.
There is a Gannet on one of them as well as several other interesting types.
A.
Yes Dave.
The situation is a bit fluid (like the mud) and the aviation trustee Mr Tony Haig-Thomes has made a further anouncement since this morning.
‘Although the formal Shuttleworth Collection air display is cancelled on Sunday 1st July.
The airfield will remain open and the PFA Party In The Park will go ahead as planned.’
If there’s any further news I’ll post it here.
Cheers
Andy
And Ian,
dare I say cramped?–well compared with the Bonanza.
A.
Oh and James.
Imperial Airways pilots and navs who were given guided tours of those Lockheeds were told to make no comment to the media or publicly
about the aircraft or the engineering they had seen on pain of disciplinary action being taken.
I think the reason was that the flagship aeroplane of IA at the time was the HP42.
I always smile about the DH88 Comet too.
An aircraft which did indeed win, but with more nasty characteristics than one could shake a stick at and carrying two people in a degree of discomfort and the DC-2 which came second (and not by much) after carrying passengers some of the way in a degree of comfort.
If anything illustrates a point, I always feel this is the one.
A.
Oh and the authorities at Brooklands were so far sighted and interested in engineering and aviation that they evicted Edwin Alliott Verdon Roe at least once.
Says a lot for the rot which had set in (even at that early stage) and the class-ism which prevailed at Brooklands and has hamstrung British industry for generations.
I seem to remember that the Japanese motor industry gained a foot hold because, they were allowed to set up a restrictive trade through import tarrifs, as a way of getting them “back on their feet”, we weren’t so lucky, and are suffering a similar fate being part of the EU.
No they produced better products which worked.
Motorbikes which didn’t leak oil and started–they even had electric starters and cars that didn’t leak water inwards in the Winter and would run for 100,000 miles without throwing all sorts of fluids out underneath!
People liked them and bought them and still do.
Something the British motor industry kidded itself the punters didn’t want–what reliabilty???–s*d that when I can spend a January afternoon stuck under a car on the roadside.
Some would argue that if we only bought British in this country,and the industry had no competition, that we would end up driving and flying the equivilent of trabbands, wartburgs and antinov biplanes, however during the 20’s,30’s,40’s and 50’s our trains planes and automobiles were the best in the world.
Please give examples…?
I’m awaiting that with baited breath.
The problem doesn’t lie with Mercedes, but with the British govt, in allowing them to A, purchase the site, and B, allow the developement.
So you think the Government was at fault???
I’ll give you a simple automotive choice.
Japanese car electrics or Lucas–Prince of Darkness…?
or
Japanese motorbikes versus British ones…?
Or a Toyota versus–what??–oh Rover?
(and of course my Toyota was made in Derby.)
People like engineering to work and through years of neglect and incompetance in British engineering, it often didn’t!
Why would the British Government not want a wealthy and forward looking company to buy a site in Surrey and open a facilty which employs local people?
Would you prefer unemployment or has the last fifty years passed you by somehow?
As for kicking the Germans out–well I find xenophobia unattractive at best.
A.
James,
I think we should knock down the Merc plant there and Tesco which occupies some of the site and a few houses (after all, why do people want to live there) then rebuild it so it’s an exact copy of how it was when R.O. Shuttleworth raced there in the 1920’s.
Never mind a few jobs or homes or a bit of shopping let’s get back to good olde traditional values.
Like keeping the oiks out (The right crowd but no crowding remember) giving the working classes a bath so they can store coal and rendering all the lower orders to travelling third class behind steam trains on the one paid days holiday per year that they’re allowed. I also think district nurses looked better on bikes and caning the Hun (or at least a few johnny foreigners) was a great start to a young man’s life.
Or on the other hand…
Britain might be better suited to concentrate on the positives and move on a bit.
After all it’ll never be 1945 or 1918 or the glorious August bank holiday of 1914 or even 1899 again.
We should always remember the past, learn from it and try to do better in the future I think.
Later.
A.
Melv, I knew you’d jump in somewhere.
Whenever, on these places people criticise this museum or that museum, I ask the same question.
Would you like to volunteer?
Invariably I get the same answer, I’m too busy, too broke, My aunt needs her shopping doing, my leg has a bone in it–whatever.
What do they think the rest of us do all day–sit around at our leisure?
No we find the time and as I’ve said I could name half a dozen here who travel a lot further than fifty miles and often on very limited incomes to play a part in helping at museums or collections.
Even if you volunteered to sweep a hangar once a month, I guarantee your perspective would change.
You’d also feel good too.
As for fundraising, always a challenge.
Later.
A.
PS. I’m not certain Mag-men was filmed at Brooklands.
I thought the fictional ‘Brookly’ of the film was all at Booker.
Unfortunately living 50 miles away really does limit how much active help I can offer and with 75% of my monthly wage paying for my house that kinda limits the finacial help I can provide.
People travel much further than fifty miles to volunteer at museums (and mightily well received their help is).
Quite a number of them post here.
A.
Of course it can.
Just up the amount of your regular donation to support the museum and they’ll be delighted to expand, build more sheds etc.
Moggy
Correct Moggy, and when one considers what a few acres of that part of Surrey must be worth these days, then I think you’ve got a result that anything survives.
To WP840
Of course, you could always volunteer to help and that way you could improve things. A friend of mine is heavily involved there, would you like me to have a word with him on your behalf?
A.
Excellent news, please keep us all posted, especially regarding dates etc.
If you need further information you could ask on here or here…
http://forum.planetalk.net/index.php
Cheers
Andy.
Only on this forum could you start to get people going like that, My god experts!!!!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
How’s that Gladiator?
Anyway all you experts, try looking up the Supermarine Type 327 fighter for the twin Spit mentioned above by XN923.
Catch you later.
A.