Yes ! yes! yes! – and with the “Hells Angels” sequence from “Aviator” plus the airship attack sequence from “Zeppelin” poached for good measure.
I have this argument over on ‘The Aerodrome’.
There a certain individual is so convinced that I’m going to enjoy this film that he’s offered to reimburse the cinema entry costs if I really hate it.
I’ve yet to see anything that I’d find good about it.
A.
“Pearl Harbor ” meets “Aces High”
As good as that?
My memory suggests a body harness.
Of course we do know somebody who helped him fit his legs.
Moggy
It was only a matter of time before we arrived at that point….. 🙂 😉 🙂
Poor Speckled Jim…
and
She’s not from Wales is she?
I’d like to ask Andy Saunders a sensible (well for me anyway) question.
If Bader’s leg was found in a field not a million miles away from where it was estimated that he departed the aircraft, does he therefore think that the leg was broken off by the perhaps the jerk of the parachute opening, rather than the more ‘authorised’ version of it being left in the aircraft?
I ask this because over and over again one reads about items of clothing and equipment being lost by both aircrew bailing out and even parachute troops when the large initial ‘jerk’ in the rate of descant takes place.
Any thoughts?
Andy
Well that’s it Baldrick, a fate worse than a fate worse than death.
I have edited and corrected my post to read – Does NOT indicate a common posting point.
Mark12
Yes Mark12 some of us still remember the S. Vaspic incident.
A rapid rise in bad attitude, bad language, personal attack and defamatory remarks is noticeable, as several recent Historic threads show (this & the earlier Tangmere thread and the Vulcan matter stand out). The Key publishing Aviation boards as a whole already have a poor international reputation – as others have remarked more than once – and it simply can’t go on.
Why can’t it go on?
It’s not the real World–it’s an internet website.
I think you need to ask yourself Mr Clark, what you actually contribute here yourself. Nothing as far as I can see apart from a sanctimonious griping about how nasty it is.
When was the last time you started a constructive thread, which of course would be a way of improving it?
This is the modern World and the way it is.
If you don’t like it, don’t tune in.
I think you were left previously in no doubt about how I felt (and others) about people like you setting yourself up as judge and jury on other peoples codes of behaviour and the fact that you started a thread over on GD about bad behaviour where you hoped to preach your moral code fell, sank like a lead submarine must have given you some clue as to the complete lack of interest here in your opinions.
What actually gives you that right, other than an inflated ego that you’re right and the rest are somehow wrong?
Why don’t you go away (perhaps spend time on the BBC website–where as you say it’s tightly moderated) rather than sitting in your armchair being sanctimonious and contributing nothing of worth here.
Andy.
PS. Please don’t waste time writing me pious private messages as you did before when we crossed swords.
Let us not forget as well that these men were born and raised in a different age with different attitudes and a very different class “system”. Their attitude to others, especially those of a perceived lower class, would have been the norm.PC was an unknown and to some unneeded idea at that time.
Rudeness and arrogance doesnt go down too well with the film watching public though !!!
Strangely though Hurrifan, good manners were always considered important back then.
At least that’s what we’re told.
My dear departed Grandmother always told me that they cost nothing and gained one much.
Something that apparently passed Bader by.
Scooter,
try here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hampton_Gray
There’s a brief biog and the date of award etc.
Andy
I don’t know if this makes him an ‘ace’ (horrible word) or not but Lieutenant Robert Gray ( RCNVR ) of 841 Squadron, Fleet Air Arm won the Victoria Cross while flying a Corsair.
I would have thought that “research” would have made even you realise that modern materials and finishes only approximate the full spectral and reflectivity signatures of those used at the time.
Then of course there’s the anti-spin strakes and the faired over front cockpit.
As mentioned above.
I might of course be somewhat biased but I can confirm that the people at Old Warden really do care about the exhibits.
To many people there, it’s more like a way of life, whether or not they work on the vehicle side of the collection or the aviation side of the collection or on the grounds, security or admin. Many of them give up hundreds of hours of their own time to help as volunteers and even the employed staff generally go way ‘above and beyond’ their ‘job description’.
It really is a unique little community.
And then you get some moaning bl**der who’s a glorified plane spotter by all accounts arguing over the depth of a red stripe.
I can’t actually say on here what I’d like to say but rest assured it would be very offensive and personal.
(It would involve travel too.)
as far as I’m concerned I’m finished on this subject.
Andy
Having seen seen the programme, and on a separate note, i will say it is interesting to hear Mr Saunders saying about past digs , and i quote ” It wasn’t so much a search for bits of metal, or bits of aircraft, it was the human interest and the story of the pilots and eyewitnesses that interested me”. For someone not interested in bits of metal he seems to have a lucrative career selling these ‘bits’ on Ebay, although i must point out he is not the only so called ‘ historian’ doing this, i wonder what these pilots, some of whomb were killed in the crashes would make of this? And i wonder if any of the proceeds are given to a relavent charity.
————————————————————————-[/I]This post plumbs the absolute depths of ignorance and spite, and may well be defamatory. Sadly, it is typical of much of the history of the Flypast forums.
Whatever minute amount of rise in standards may have been gained, so slowly, in recent months is now being eaten away by fresh outbreaks of inflammatory, immoderate, potentially actionable yet unmoderated remarks: such as in this thread, an earlier Tangmere thread, and in the current Vulcan thread.
Key Publishing is simply going to have to take moderation of the Forums in serious hand. Without firm, consistent and sustained remedial action, sooner rather than later, one or more serious posters with a sound, hard-won record and otherwise unblemished reputation will have to resort to legal action in their own defence.
The current situation is a disgrace and indefensible.
Go elsewhere then.
I have no clue as to why you insist on running a one man campaign to clean this place up.
Your last effort died.
Go elsewhere and try.
I’d heard that the grass at Shuttleworth is the wrong shade of green.
Yes it’s much brighter than it should in August because of all the blinkin’ rain!
However, if I was Albert Ross I’d be inclined to ask myself why no one listens to me.
I can make a guess why the Chinese don’t, they don’t give a f*ck that’s why, they’re in the business of making money.
The Shuttleworth Collection on the other hand is a charity, with sometimes frighteningly large outgoings and despite what Mr Ross (aka AB) thinks much thought is given to the way the exhibits are presented.
Later
Andy
For someone who’s been supposedly involved in aviation for such a long time, you don’t seem to have learned much.
I’d have thought that keeping an aircraft in the air when it needed fairly substantial reworking was preferable to spending available money on painting an aircraft that may not be to everyone’s taste but is still perfectly servicable.
When the Gladiator reaches the point of needing substantial maintenance, then it’ll go through the same process.
I think you might find that the SE5A is next in line–or would you rather see that grounded for a bit longer so available funds can be spent splashing a bit of paint about?
Or do think that all old aircraft involve are pretty paint schemes?
A.
PS Yak 11 Fan–you kit the post key slightly ahead of me.