Finally… I bit of common sense from the CAA. Always seemed ludicrous to me. You could have 2 Gazelle’s… One was legal with 3 passengers, and one couldn’t have any. Crazy… I think this has to be good news for ex military aircraft operators.
it will probably be retored to fly and end up in a flying accident in the UK, like the blenheim,or the last flying mosquito.
I think that comment is out of order.
Perhaps those of us here in England who would like to see the Mosquito return home can also join the email campaign?
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To my mind, it’s a bit like saying that because people can drive their cars to the local scrap yard, that’s great or even good news for motoring!!
If it wasn’t for the local scrap yard, many old classics would have stopped running a long time ago!
Most aircraft are ‘spares recovered’ before being cut up… That has to be good news for aviation… Doesn’t it?
This business about rivet joint being older than nimrod just doesn’t hold water in my oppinion. It’s about how the aircraft have been looked after, maintained and upgraded. The 135’s have been well maintained over the years… The nimrods haven’t. Google the nimrod report and have a read through it… It’s almost unbelievable.
Sadly BAe systems have let the nimrod down. I love the aircraft, I grew up with nimrods, but the MR2 became dangerous and the MR4 is too late. I think it may have been different if the MR4 was in service at the time of the defence review but that’s just my oppinion.
As for BAe selling the aircraft on… I’m not sure if the airframes don’t still belong to the RAF, not BAe. Also, a lot of the kit in there is still classified and wouldn’t be sold on to any old nation looking foe a sub hunter.
I think the whole thing is a real shame. As for seeing the MR4 go to museums… I don’t know what museum would want a failed MR4 over a historic MR2 or R1?
Is anyone reading this on their i-Phone because they’ve already set off as they want to be the first in the queue to get in? 😀
Remember gates open at 8am for stallholders and 9am for buyers!! 🙂
Er… Yes!
What I find most sad about the cancellation of the MR4 isn’t the loss of a maritime patrol sub hunter… It’s the fact that we no longer have any long range SAR capability… An Island nation and we don’t have long range SAR… It’s tragic.
The loss of MR4 has been rumoured for months, but I honestly thought that they would keep two or three aircraft, for SAR duties alone.
Just look at all the big rescue missions… there has always been a nimrod there… The Fasnet Race, Piper Alpha, Air India and countless others… And now we’ve lost that capability. I cant believe it. Personally, I can think of plenty of other things I’d have got rid of before I scrapped the Nimrod…
Absolutely tragic
Perhaps I’m a little out of touch with the RSPCA campaigns but the point I’m making is that TVOC continue to run a negative campaign. Perhaps its time that they tried to focus on the positive. One thing is for sure… The current system isn’t working. No doubt they’ll advertise the redundancy letters in a few weeks time… More negative campaigning. I can see the situation where they end up with the money to operate her, but no experienced staff to operate the jet. You cant go through life expecting to me made redundant every 9 months.
Sorry, but as someone who has given a lot of money to the project, I have to say, I cant support it any more.
I think it’s time to ground her.
I think that some people are missing a major joint here.
The British legion wont run this years poppy appeal along the lines of “give us your money or the veteran gets it”…
The RSPCA don’t run their campaigns along the lines of “give us your money or the puppy gets it”…
Why do TVOC insist on running their campaigns on such negative publicity… The must successful charities all operate on positive publicity… “With your money look what we can do”. People aren’t unhappy about the Vulcan’s constant need for money… They are unhappy about the way that Plemming and his ‘team’ run the operation.
Sorry to say, but if this is the way that TVOC are going to continue to operate, then I for one would like to see her grounded.
Btw, as this thread only seems to pop up when there’s something negative to say, I was wondering if anyone actually went to see the Vulcan fly this year and did you enjoy it?
Hello Hurn,
To answer your question… yes, I’ve seen the Vulcan display quite a few times this year, Waddington, RIAT, Leuchars… Did I enjoy it… Not really.
I’m sorry to say, but the Vulcan display just doesn’t do it for me. The only part of it worth watching is the takeoff… after that, I can turn away and carry on looking at the static. To me, the Vulcan is all about POWER… Feeling your stomach shake, and listening to the ‘Vulcan howl’… When the throttles are closed the vulcan is actually quite a quiet aircraft. It reminds me of a big glider display. The climbing spiral turn is quite impressive, but it’s nothing to get excited about. I very rarely hear the Vulcan Howl any more.
I’ve been going to shows for years. I remember commenting at Leuchars this year that when the Vulcan used to fly, no one moved… You could leave the stall, walk out the front without any worry, watch the show, and go back to your stall and would wouldn’t miss a sale, or be worried about anyone pinching stock… EVERYONE was watching the Vulcan. This year at Leuchars, no one stopped buying because the Vulcan was displaying.
I really don’t think it’s worth the money. I’d rather see the money go into a new hangar, and ground her… Sorry to say, but she’s not worth the money.
I was once a huge supporter of the Vulcan… I used to LOVE it… But now I think it’s lost it’s spark (apart from the take off!!!!).
As for the way TVOC have handled the situation…. I wont start on that one!
I think that is what is called “valuable consideration” which would require the operator to have an Air Operators Certificate.”.
As I understand it, you dont need an Air Operators Certificate if your flight is from A to A… You only need an AOC if your flight is from A to B.
So, if I have understood this correctly, an owner of a Spitfire CAN take a passenger, so long as the passenger is not charged for the flight.
Exactly….
The CAA allowance to share the cost of a flight only applies when the flight is in a rented aircraft.
ie. If I rent an aircraft from my flying club, and take my friend flying, then I can share the cost of the flight with him. If I take the same friend flying in my own private aircraft, then I cant share that cost, and I am expected to pay for the entire flight myself.
That was from the CAA about 4 weeks ago.
Congratulations mate. I’m really pleased to see that it arrived safe and well.
Let me know if you need any parts for her and I’ll see what I can do!
I’m really chuffed that you managed to sort it!
I’m off to Poland on Wednesday… Your parcel should be waiting so I’ll pick it up for you!
Cheers
id imagine so but i cant see why not?
Really?
I suggest you read this… The Nimrod Review
I dont think we’ll see an MR2 fly in civilian hands.
Does anyone have a picture of the amphibious version? :diablo:
Is that different to the ones I’ve just posted before you of XV228?