Pete TrumanI’ve tried to follow this debate, but unfortunately lost the will to live as at times it has become vitriolic. From a personal point of view, I have very little interest in or time for religion. How anyone can base their beliefs on a series of books that were written several thousand years ago, in many cases several years after the events took place and have gone through various stages of translation is beyond me. To me it’s all voodoo and all I can glean from it is that from where I stand and from what I have read, religion has spawned many of the bloodiest wars of the past 1000 years.
60+ years ago the last “big” war was fought to give people the right to self determination and to the greater extent those of us in Europe have that. This encompasses religious and political beliefs, sexual orientation etc… As a result of the bloodshed by those men from an eclectic mix of creeds and races, none of us has a right to impose their beliefs upon anyone else, none of us has a right to tell our neighbour how they should live their lives, none of us has a right to enforce the rest to vote a certain way, none of us has a right to suppress another group of human beings for whatever reason, I could go on, I have the right to do so and no one is going to take that right away.
I admire those of you with the convictions you have in your various faiths, however through the freedoms bestowed upon me by those men who now lie in a foreign field, I beg to differ and say your theories and religious beliefs are misguided and in many cases wrong. Rant over.
You will have to change your mind when Hookies green flag is flying over Downing Street, well not really, you will probably be kipping in a hedge and getting heavy with RPG’s against our removal of those rights, but don’t worry, we will have snuffed it by then and inadvertantly know the answer to life, the universe and everything, not, just keep thinking 42.
Pete TrumanI would hardly call either HMS Tiger or HMS Blake very elegant in appearance…
Did any of you see any of these ships in real life, I did, I saw the whole class at one time or another, including two of them being scrapped together at Inverkeithing, wish I could publish my slides. Perhaps it’s my designers view of the alternative perspective on things, but they always seemed more attractive than the general RN 1930’s cruiser class, the Belfast being a prime example, the funnels don’t look right on that, they aren’t in the right place, whereas those clinker screens give the Tiger class a really purposeful appearance.
To keep on thread, what exactly was the helicopter/Harrier compliment supposed to be on these ships, I found my book on them while I was packing to move but it is now under a pile of cardboard boxes, they look very similar to the Japanese battleship conversions during the war, without the hair raising superstructure, presumably their role was for a one way trip only.
Yes I do appreciate the cost of preserving these ships, the Cavalier has apparently got a rotten hull, there are no doubt not a lot of dry docks to go round. What is going to happen to the Birkenhead collection, is it in danger?
Pete TrumanYes he was. Coincidentally I was thinking of starting a Radio Luxembourg thread (208) to see how many members would admit to remembering their introduction to rock and roll music, pre pirate radio days! 😀
Sounds like a good thread to me, shall I start my bit.
Sunday night used to be family night in our house, now I’m talking about the days before Fluff used to present the top twenty on a sunday evening.
We would have to put up with Sing Something Simple on the Light Programme, incidentally if anyone remembers that dire programme, the Mike Sammes Singers that ‘performed’ it featured as backing vocals on ‘I am the Walrus’ by the Beatles, so they obviously weren’t as boring as we thought.
We usually played Monopoly, or various card games and looked forward to Radio Luxembourg starting at 7:00, but where I lived, reception was always appalling, despite my old man’s massive valve radio that resembled some sort of art deco cinema frontage.
The music on Luxembourg was great, the only programme playing anything like it on the BBC was Saturday Club. Elvis was not appreciated in our house, Buddy Holly was King, I would have been interested to see what would have happened had BH not suffered an early demise, his advantage over Elvis was his writing ability, a sad loss of a great talent, my brother didn’t speak for several days following his death.
We also had problems picking up the pirate stations as well, we tended to stick with Luxembourg as reception had improved and Radio 1 when it first arrived was not too good as they had to honour live performance rights and had all sorts of grim people attempting to perform the hits of the day live on air. I think that the only programme free of this nonsense was actually Alan Freemans chart show.
I did win a competition on Luxembourg once, this was in the days of Kid Jensen, ( whose party I once crashed and was evicted from as I quoted my invite as being from a rival DJ who was also not on the list, got my hands on a glass of his scotch though).
Yes, the Kid ran a competition called ‘Find the Flip’. I happened to be upstairs doing my homework and listening to Luxembourg and the flip side in question was on my record player, Badge by the Cream as it happens.
I wrote down the answer on a piece of toilet paper including all the credits and the fact that George Harrison played the middle eight.
Several days later I was surrounded by hordes of admiring girls at school who had heard my name read out on air, I missed it.
I was sent a copy of an album courtesy of Radio Luxembourg with an actual hand written note by Kid Jensen, the album was by a band called ‘Moves of Vegetable Centuries’, cool, it ended up being destroyed under a chair leg at a particularly wild party.
I have to go back to Saturday Club, it was the best radio show around, nothing on Lux or anywhere else could touch it.
As I mentioned earlier they did experimental stereo broadcasts where you tuned in the radio to one frequency and the telly to another, unfortunately our telly was sat over the radio so you had to lie at an angle to appreciate it.
One day some company, it may have been PYE announced that they were going to do an experimental broadcast of Saturday Club in 4 track at the Co-op showrooms in Nottingham. Of course we were down there like a shot and sat in the middle of these gleaming massive teak cabinets for several hours on a saturday morning while engineers fiddled with whatever they had to fiddle with, it was amazing and no doubt better than the awful but expensive system that I have now.
Not Arf, pop pickers.
Pete TrumanYes he was. Coincidentally I was thinking of starting a Radio Luxembourg thread (208) to see how many members would admit to remembering their introduction to rock and roll music, pre pirate radio days! 😀
Sounds like a good thread to me, shall I start my bit.
Sunday night used to be family night in our house, now I’m talking about the days before Fluff used to present the top twenty on a sunday evening.
We would have to put up with Sing Something Simple on the Light Programme, incidentally if anyone remembers that dire programme, the Mike Sammes Singers that ‘performed’ it featured as backing vocals on ‘I am the Walrus’ by the Beatles, so they obviously weren’t as boring as we thought.
We usually played Monopoly, or various card games and looked forward to Radio Luxembourg starting at 7:00, but where I lived, reception was always appalling, despite my old man’s massive valve radio that resembled some sort of art deco cinema frontage.
The music on Luxembourg was great, the only programme playing anything like it on the BBC was Saturday Club. Elvis was not appreciated in our house, Buddy Holly was King, I would have been interested to see what would have happened had BH not suffered an early demise, his advantage over Elvis was his writing ability, a sad loss of a great talent, my brother didn’t speak for several days following his death.
We also had problems picking up the pirate stations as well, we tended to stick with Luxembourg as reception had improved and Radio 1 when it first arrived was not too good as they had to honour live performance rights and had all sorts of grim people attempting to perform the hits of the day live on air. I think that the only programme free of this nonsense was actually Alan Freemans chart show.
I did win a competition on Luxembourg once, this was in the days of Kid Jensen, ( whose party I once crashed and was evicted from as I quoted my invite as being from a rival DJ who was also not on the list, got my hands on a glass of his scotch though).
Yes, the Kid ran a competition called ‘Find the Flip’. I happened to be upstairs doing my homework and listening to Luxembourg and the flip side in question was on my record player, Badge by the Cream as it happens.
I wrote down the answer on a piece of toilet paper including all the credits and the fact that George Harrison played the middle eight.
Several days later I was surrounded by hordes of admiring girls at school who had heard my name read out on air, I missed it.
I was sent a copy of an album courtesy of Radio Luxembourg with an actual hand written note by Kid Jensen, the album was by a band called ‘Moves of Vegetable Centuries’, cool, it ended up being destroyed under a chair leg at a particularly wild party.
I have to go back to Saturday Club, it was the best radio show around, nothing on Lux or anywhere else could touch it.
As I mentioned earlier they did experimental stereo broadcasts where you tuned in the radio to one frequency and the telly to another, unfortunately our telly was sat over the radio so you had to lie at an angle to appreciate it.
One day some company, it may have been PYE announced that they were going to do an experimental broadcast of Saturday Club in 4 track at the Co-op showrooms in Nottingham. Of course we were down there like a shot and sat in the middle of these gleaming massive teak cabinets for several hours on a saturday morning while engineers fiddled with whatever they had to fiddle with, it was amazing and no doubt better than the awful but expensive system that I have now.
Not Arf, pop pickers.
Pete TrumanOh dear, I seem to have got my facts in a tangle, my apologies to all concerned, it was meant well, however wasn’t there a German Battlecruiser, possibly that fought at Jutland, that ended up in Turkey during WW1 and was scrapped as recently as the 70’s.
How can we keep this on an aviation thread, did it have seaplanes, was it called the Seydiltz, my brain has collapsed today unfortunately.
Pete TrumanWere not parts of the Bulwark incorporated into the Carrier Experience at Yeovilton, particularly with regard to the bridge and internal fittings etc. I gather that a feasibility study was carried out on the hulk at Portsmouth during the Falklands war in case something nasty happened to Vince or Hermes, but the ship was past redemption, so they sent Atlantic Conveyor instead and we all know what happened to that.
The same thing was considered with the cruiser Lion which not only had 6 inch guns for coastal bombardment but had a flight deck built over the stern that could take Harriers, now that sounds a pretty potent ship, very elegant in appearance to, I think it was found to be in better condition than Bulwark.
They sent Bristol instead which I believe is now in turn rotting away as a training ship in Portsmouth, a class of light cruisers designed specifically to escort the Invincible class carriers but decided to be too expensive after just one was built.
Considering the Naval heritage of this country, the number of preserved warships is a disgrace, a view I’ve always held for many years as I have watched the demise of so many famous old ships with epic war records, it wasn’t so many years ago when the Achillies of River Plate fame was scrapped, I believe that the Indian Navy who were operating it, even offered it to the British Government at a knock down price.
How many of you know that there is an original WW1 cruiser used by the Sea Cadets in Belfast, with respect to them as I’m sure they treasure it, it should be moored up in Chatham restored to its former glory, along with what little heritage we have left.
Pete TrumanI find that very hard to believe.Probably opening another can of worms here,but WTH.Look back on his past history and see what you missed 😉
Brentwood nylons for a start!!!
Pete TrumanI find that very hard to believe.Probably opening another can of worms here,but WTH.Look back on his past history and see what you missed 😉
Brentwood nylons for a start!!!
Pete TrumanI think he has had an operation or is ill as JW wished him a speedy recovery the other week…
I checked on the BBC website, he is ill, hope the old boy recovers from whatever it is, ironic to think of JW standing in considering what he went through last year.
Incidentally wasn’t Fluff originally from Australia?
Pete TrumanI think he has had an operation or is ill as JW wished him a speedy recovery the other week…
I checked on the BBC website, he is ill, hope the old boy recovers from whatever it is, ironic to think of JW standing in considering what he went through last year.
Incidentally wasn’t Fluff originally from Australia?
Pete TrumanI’ll second all that, I know that the poor old boy had been suffering from severe arthritis for many years and was no doubt in a lot of pain.
In 69 I was working as a youthfull waiter at Butlins, Minehead, when the Radio 1 Roadshow arrived. I managed to sneak off to the ballroom during my break and watched Fluff in action. What I remember about that was that he played a very risque track, well for that time it was, by Peter Starsted, and as the lyrics came out he should have pulled the plug but he refused, mind you he was laughing so much he couldn’t do much about it, he finished by saying that we were lucky to have heard probably the only airplay of that particular record.
After the show they all came over to the restaurant for a meal which meant I had to serve them, and what a great bunch they all were, particularly Fluff, who gave me a Ten shilling tip afterwards, a lot of money in those days.
RIP Smashy.
PS Anyone know whats happened to Brian Matthew, he seems to have dissapeared from his Radio 2 saturday show, hope he’s ok, Saturday Club was real ground breaking radio in the early 60’s, first to be broadcast in stereo, as long as you could tune in your telly to the other channel!
Pete TrumanI’ll second all that, I know that the poor old boy had been suffering from severe arthritis for many years and was no doubt in a lot of pain.
In 69 I was working as a youthfull waiter at Butlins, Minehead, when the Radio 1 Roadshow arrived. I managed to sneak off to the ballroom during my break and watched Fluff in action. What I remember about that was that he played a very risque track, well for that time it was, by Peter Starsted, and as the lyrics came out he should have pulled the plug but he refused, mind you he was laughing so much he couldn’t do much about it, he finished by saying that we were lucky to have heard probably the only airplay of that particular record.
After the show they all came over to the restaurant for a meal which meant I had to serve them, and what a great bunch they all were, particularly Fluff, who gave me a Ten shilling tip afterwards, a lot of money in those days.
RIP Smashy.
PS Anyone know whats happened to Brian Matthew, he seems to have dissapeared from his Radio 2 saturday show, hope he’s ok, Saturday Club was real ground breaking radio in the early 60’s, first to be broadcast in stereo, as long as you could tune in your telly to the other channel!
Pete TrumanDoes anyone know if 603 is visable from the road, and if so, what road?
Thought I might have a ride by and try and get a couple of pics before she is gone forever.
Look up Woodford on Multimap at 1:25000 and the Vulcan is parked at the NW side of the airfield, clearly shown on the 1:5000 arial photograph.
The map shows a public footpath across fields nearby, finishing at the airfield perimeter, it may be possible to walk along the boundary fence, depends on the farmer and land use though.
A few years ago we took a narrow boat down the Macclesfied Canal which is set considerably higher than the airfield, despite it being a way off, the slow pace of the boat allowed you to see the Vulcan for miles along the route of the canal, it was gleaming white that day.
Pete TrumanThe situation has been given big coverage on BBC Look East and Anglia local news.
There were some scenes of the inside of the almost deserted base on the !8:30 news last night, very sad to see, even the houses appear empty.
At least the Jaguar gate guard and the station sign are still in-situ.
The locals are understandingly a bit miffed, having lost 20m a year going into the local economy, they were at least expecting an industrial estate providing new jobs as well as an influx of affordable housing, I’m sure the debate will rage for weeks to come.
Pete TrumanWelcome to the spiritual world, To me and my religion God is within me its among our work, its our work that stays.
it doesnt contradicts with my religion, and i dont follow my religion first then that instead my soul first then any damn religion.tell me assuming world 95% islam
1> Can the rest 5% go to pubs?
2> Can the rest five percent do what they wants to do freely without any intervention?
Sorry, I don’t know what you’re getting at, I won’t be patronised, I’ve been around for a long time and have always been aware of the spiritual world, in whatever form I’m supposed to consider it, and am very well read, possibly that is what worries me, when you start to become an old git like me, the end of existance when you’re my age starts to get a bit worrying.
My saviour is having a much younger partner, although, we were sitting up till late last night talking about ‘Life the Universe and Everything’ and she’s more worried about the ‘Endgame’ than I am.
It’s ok to take the p### out of all this, but we are all in the same situation, and no, the other 5% won’t be allowed to do what they want when the Green flag is flying over Downing Street, not a critism just a natural fact of future life, possibly.
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