Pete TrumanRAF Pete, Sea Harriers are Royal Navy 😀
The question when it started was assuming that the aircraft/helicopter would have been shot down in combat.
But we couldn’t remember anything been shot down during the Gulf or on any other operations. So maybe it is the correct answer?
We would be interested to know a “last shot down intentionally” answer though.
Sorry, but not only were some off the Sea Harrier crews RAF pilots, which should count, but the GR-3’s were mixing it as well, didn’t one shoot down a helicopter or Pucara.
I was going to mention the Korean Mig kill, but it’s those bloody ‘Skates’ again, bless em.
Life won’t be worth living for the RAF when Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales come into service, not traditional carrier names incidentally I must add, whats wrong with this country, abandoning tradition again.
Pete TrumanFair enough, but how about a shooting down in anger, that must have been a Sea Harrier in the Falklands War, considering the number of conflicts we have been involved in since, that’s amazing, though I doubt whether we have carried out many ops in the intercept field. I once read somewhere that the USAF were not happy with the fighting qualities of the Tornado F3 and that they were relegated to last ditch duties in defence of the AWACS and tankers during the first Gulf War at least, let alone anything since.
I should think the advent of the Typhoon will change all that, it looks pretty potent to me.
Actually, I have a vague recollection of a pilot accidentally ejecting from a Harrier somewhere over the south west, wasn’t it shot down while heading out to sea, before it was allowed to plummet onto an unsuspecting ferry for Roscoff, don’t tell me, there happened to be the Nimitz in the area with a full compliment of F-14’s.
Pete TrumanHmmmmm, I went to Scotland and nearly killed us both, setting up the auto on the camera while standing at a stunning Scottish waterfall, I tripped and fell and we both nearly went over the edge, the resulting picture tells it all, had I known of subsequent events, I would have made sure I landed on top and ****** the consequences.
Pete TrumanHmmmmm, I went to Scotland and nearly killed us both, setting up the auto on the camera while standing at a stunning Scottish waterfall, I tripped and fell and we both nearly went over the edge, the resulting picture tells it all, had I known of subsequent events, I would have made sure I landed on top and ****** the consequences.
Pete TrumanAnd I thought that Yeovilton and Legends together was bad, but when Glacier Girl and the Canadian Lancaster come flying together in to Legends next year, timing their arrival with the whole BBMF, RIAT will be empty.
Wishfull thinking.
Pete TrumanStormbird, don’t want you to be ignored.
Poland didn’t actually surrender until the 6th October, with such limited intelligence at the time and a fluid battleground, it’s doubtful whether the military situation was totally understood. When you mention Armistice, no doubt the powers that be with all the influence, Chamberlain and Halifax in particular, who didn’t want to hurtle Europe into a war, were trying to prevent further fighting in Poland and hoped to restrict the attack, agree certain gains and satisfy Polish self esteem, if at all possible.
As First Lord of the Admiralty, and with his track record as far as the government was concerned, it’s doubtful whether Churchill was allowed to have much influence on such important decisions.
Anyway, whats Goering got to do with this, I doubt if he was held in much respect by even Halifax, Hess was the second in command, wouldn’t he have been the one to talk to.
I’m not an expert, there may be substance in this, but it’s probably more likely covering up for the dithering by the government.
Quite frankly, in my opinion, had the BEF and French army stormed into Germany while they were preoccupied with territorial gains, WW2 may have petered out, but it’s easy to say all this with hindsight.
Swap your OZ weather for our stinking British summer, the Poms will be defeated at cricket by the weather at this rate, perhaps they could play their test matches at the new Wembley Stadium with the roof closed.
Pete.
Pete TrumanStormbird, don’t want you to be ignored.
Poland didn’t actually surrender until the 6th October, with such limited intelligence at the time and a fluid battleground, it’s doubtful whether the military situation was totally understood. When you mention Armistice, no doubt the powers that be with all the influence, Chamberlain and Halifax in particular, who didn’t want to hurtle Europe into a war, were trying to prevent further fighting in Poland and hoped to restrict the attack, agree certain gains and satisfy Polish self esteem, if at all possible.
As First Lord of the Admiralty, and with his track record as far as the government was concerned, it’s doubtful whether Churchill was allowed to have much influence on such important decisions.
Anyway, whats Goering got to do with this, I doubt if he was held in much respect by even Halifax, Hess was the second in command, wouldn’t he have been the one to talk to.
I’m not an expert, there may be substance in this, but it’s probably more likely covering up for the dithering by the government.
Quite frankly, in my opinion, had the BEF and French army stormed into Germany while they were preoccupied with territorial gains, WW2 may have petered out, but it’s easy to say all this with hindsight.
Swap your OZ weather for our stinking British summer, the Poms will be defeated at cricket by the weather at this rate, perhaps they could play their test matches at the new Wembley Stadium with the roof closed.
Pete.
Pete TrumanThe parts of the ship were boomed to prevent leakage, but the edges of the ship have damagaed the booms which have now been removed for damage assessment. Some oil has reached the beaches at Seaton and West Bay which is being attended to by the anti contamination crews.
Doesn’t sound very promising, mackerel fishing off Beer could be out then. Ever hired one of those clinker built boats from Beer, they are fantastic, I took my son out once and the fishing line was ripped out of his hand, fortunately I had the reel wrapped around a seat, but what ever was on the end was pulling the boat forwards and down, luckily, after getting pulled round the boat and getting wrapped round the prop, the line snapped, by this time I had put on full power to get away, we limped back to the beach with my terrified son convinced it was a shark, we’ll never know, this time it could be a BMW.
Pete TrumanThe parts of the ship were boomed to prevent leakage, but the edges of the ship have damagaed the booms which have now been removed for damage assessment. Some oil has reached the beaches at Seaton and West Bay which is being attended to by the anti contamination crews.
Doesn’t sound very promising, mackerel fishing off Beer could be out then. Ever hired one of those clinker built boats from Beer, they are fantastic, I took my son out once and the fishing line was ripped out of his hand, fortunately I had the reel wrapped around a seat, but what ever was on the end was pulling the boat forwards and down, luckily, after getting pulled round the boat and getting wrapped round the prop, the line snapped, by this time I had put on full power to get away, we limped back to the beach with my terrified son convinced it was a shark, we’ll never know, this time it could be a BMW.
Pete TrumanAs long as the movie shows the thrilling climax of the final bomb being dropped, while Gibson flys in front of the ack ack to divert fire, I couldnt care less if they have hills in the background or the wrong trees, or the wrong hangars. Any enthusiast knows this isnt the real Scampton and hopefully some new punters will be thrilled by the movie and become enthusiasts.
I have lost count of how many “German” airfields have C-type hangars in them, in old WW2 movies!
I must admit i couldnt have cared less about the fact that the scenery is DBW wasnt right, the film itself was far too entertaining to make me think of such things!
I quite agree with you, there were always so many things going on in DBW that worrying about the scenery was not an issue, apart from that, a bit of temporary camo paint slapped on those hangars at Wigram and they’ll look the dogs, oops, shouldn’t have said that.
Pete Truman[QUOTE=adrian_gray;1142123]Interesting to hear that you were a member of the EAG, Denis. The year before you joined, at a highly impressionable age (7!), I watched the remains of a Hurricane being dug out of a field at Spains Hall, Finchingfield (wouldn’t mind knowing where those bits went – anyone know?). From that moment on, there was no chance I’d ever grow out of being interested in ‘planes!
AG
Some of the bits are/were at Spains Hall, they were presented to Sir John Ruggles Brise, he showed them to me once during one of his epic guided tours, I definately remember handling a really shiny piston from the Merlin.
Did you know he passed away earlier this year, I worry for the future of the house and it’s amazing contents, aviation or otherwise.
By the way, I don’t miss living in Finchingfield one bit.
Incidentally, did anyone excavate the real Heinkel 111 that the Hurricane shot down, I believe it was somewhere near Gainsford End.
Pete TrumanI regularly look at the English Heritage buildings at risk register, and the hangar at Cardington has been on there a while, it’s not a new thing.
Some of these buildings linger on the site after work has been done, for instance I visited the Camelia House at Wollaton Park Nottingham a few months ago and it looks magnificent, but remained on the heritage site for a while, despite being restored.
What gets up my nose is the programme called Restoration that has been around on the BBC, it ensures vast sums of money being chucked at a building voted for by the public, with respect, what do they know, it seems to be the area with the greatest population and voting power that wins every time, Cardington has no chance.
The first building to win it, Victoria Baths, Manchester, is a classic case, large population, lot’s of votes, but has it been opened and restored after 5 years, no, people don’t want that sort of thing, they want water parks but are keen to vote for an out of date building because it’s in their area.
I think that because of their rarity and quirkiness, and wow, don’t they dominate the skyline, the Cardington Hangars should be saved, unlike that bloody useless tent in East London, could be a good venue for all sorts of things, the accoustics must be wierd, any bands ever played there.
Is it the one that was moved from Pulham that is particularly at risk, if so there should be a national outcry, at the very least, they would make good mosques, a few minarets added might look well cool.
Pete TrumanHi all,
I live in Christchurch, New Zealand where theres the RNZAF
Museum at Wigram which was once the main base for the
southern end of the country.I would be willing to bet that exteriors with the lancasters will
be shot on this now closed base (since 1995) which features
three large WW2 era hangars with open fields and concrete
apron / taxiways all in good condition and not utlilize by
any regular airftraffic.
Its the only part of the country with such a location, all
other RNZAF bases are either to small, modernised or
closed down.
The hangars would easily hold a Lancaster replica.Although, RNZAF Ohakea might also be a consideration as
it still active with a local work force and remote from
media cameras etc.It will be interesting to see what develops.
Peter Jackson’s “Wellywood” is only a few hundred km’s north
of Christchurch where I’m assuming all interior / flightdeck
scenes and CGI work will be completed.Cheers
Simon Beck
Hollywood Aviation Buff
Thank you very much for a decent, sensible reply, got any pictures of the place, keep us informed if you see anything.
Right as usual Moggy.
Pete TrumanWelcome chaps, you’ve always had much to give on here in a positive, constructive way.
My only problem is that Bruce will start deleting threads that don’t concern De Havilland, we could have problems over De Havilland Canada too if they get together!!!!!!!!!
Pete TrumanThanks Pete and Moogy 😎 I found that the Sea King was Rescue 128 based at E Flight, 202 Squadron at Leconfield near Hull and was the sole remaining RAF Sea King providing search and rescue cover at Gloucester Airport. Monday july 23. More here http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/index.cfm?storyid=F39517C7-1143-EC82-2EEF46D0AE0E8C53
Nice and hot here 😀
James
According to BBC East last night Wattisham supplied a Sea King on Monday and possibly yesterday, the Essex fire brigade also turned up with inflatables.
Did any of you see that scumbag taking more than his allowed water ration on the news last night, I liked the way he pretended to not understand English when the reporter chased after him, people like him don’t do members of their ethnic groups, already under pressure, much good do they.
What cracked me up was that he actually turned nasty when confronted, they should have taken ALL the water off him and made the peace of filth drink off the road, at least they showed the numberplate of his 4×4, neighbours take note.
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