Some jewish and some christians who blindly back Israel policy no matter what, lobby our congress. Woe be it to anyone who gets in the way.

Aye. 😡

Great post, by the way. Although I may not agree with every bit of it, I think you’ve made some very valid points.

Some people don’t realise that the Palestianians won’t be happy until Israel no longer exists

I don’t think this has much to do with Hamas’ victory in the election. As far as I know, surveys indicate that only a minority among the Palestinians actually have such extreme views. Fewer are willing to do anything serious about it; none are able to achieve it. I guess the same applies to Israelis with views reciprocal to those which you have described.

Attempts at fitting the entire Palestinian populace into your binary perspective won’t take you anywhere.

and all I can say is the Palestianians should consider themselves lucky I ain’t in charge of Israel cos people wouldn’t be asking if Israel has nukes, and Palestine, Syria, Iran and any other country that threatened to wipe out my people would be unihabitable 😡

I guess such statements reveal a certain something about your ability of deduction. Engaging in a nuclear holocaust against neighbouring countries because of statements made by a very limited range of individuals whose visions and intentions concerning Israel are not representative of that region is, well, slightly* revealing. Also, Israel wouldn’t exactly be a very pleasant place to stay if such events were to occur, now would it?

By the way; I didn’t realise that Palestine is an existing country.

* Gross understatement

And you’d get introduced to 20-mm HEAT ammo from the gun of a Cobra fairly quickly I’d imagine.

If that what it takes, the fear of dying is irrelevant when you are required to do your duty….But sure hell giving good countering with my 155mm HE “piggies”

Let’s not get all juvenile, guys. I don’t see how a silly pi$$ing contest will fit well into this discussion.

As long as there is opression and occupation, there is a Hamas or other militant organisation…as long as there is walls being build, houses destroyed, lands stealed, missiles fired to the crowd and so on, there is will be Hamas, Jihad, PLFPF, Al-Aqsan martyrs brigade and co

Clearly.

There are many special forces around the world that train to use enemy equipment captured near a target so they don’t need to go in with too much gear.

I don’t see much grounds for a valid comparison here. Employing i.e. captured AK-47s is a tad different from using airliners filled with civilian passengers.

A western mission planner who wanted to make a statement to a little power might pick very similar targets.

Deliberately engaging densely populated civilian targets with the intent of killing large numbers of civilians is hardly an element of any Western military doctrine (unless it concerns a conflict involving the use of nuclear weapons against cities etc. I don’t know much about that, though).

How strictly military was the TV station in Serbia?

Have you bothered to investigate any NATO statements regarding this issue yet?

Or how about all the bridges that were dropped, or the powerstations hit?

We’ve been over this before, Garry. Along with most armed forces in the world, the VJ also operates a logistical backbone, you know.

And where are all these millions of bodies from this mass genocide?

Do these gross exaggerations of yours happen to be part of an attempt to beef up your own arguments? I can’t recall such numbers.

And even if it isn’t… they are the chosen ones… they go to heaven while the rest of us spend an eternity in hell…?

😀

I think its good that the palestinians are attacking against Israeli military targets for change…

I don’t think it’s good as in positive, but it certainly is different from indiscriminate attacks against civilian targets.

Let’s dare to hope that both sides will be able to solve this situation without further tragedies and damaging escalation.

I think Gollevainen is referring more to the ambiguity surrounding America’s motives for OIF, not to mention the suspicion that has risen in relation to U.S. policies for detention, imprisonment and interrogation of hostile combatants. And then there is Israel and the Palestinians..

Sometimes violence up to and including deadly force is the only available option, but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s either delightful or enjoyable, eh?

I can certainly agree with this statement.

So, have any of you guys seen South Park episodes 1003 and 1004, The Cartoon Wars? 😀

It would be interesting if someone could post some declassified intercept footage from Operation DENY FLIGHT, if available. I’ve read that NATO aircraft intercepted numerous helicopters during that period. The ROE did not permit the use of force against rotary wing aircraft operating in Bosnian airspace, so NATO pilots were apparently limited to “show of force” actions whenever a helicopter was tracked.