Me262B-1a/U1, WNr.110305 ‘Red 8’
Several two-seat trainer variants of the Me262, the Me262B-1a, had been adapted through the UmrΓΌst-Bausatz 1 factory refit package as night fighters, complete with on-board FuG218 Neptun high-VHF band radar, using Hirschgeweih (“stag’s antlers”) antennae with a set of shorter dipole elements than the Lichtenstein SN-2 had used, as the Me262B-1a/U1 version. Serving with 10./NG11, near Berlin, these few aircraft (alongside several single-seat examples) accounted for most of the 13 Mosquitoes lost over Berlin in the first three months of 1945. Wiki
Also KG200 by Geoffrey J. Thomas and Barry Ketley, Hikoki Publications.
I have been permitted to take photographs at the Headcorn museum in the past and found the staff to be very helpful and welcoming. I just had a bit of common courtesy and asked first. It goes a long way…. π
I would like to build a model of the Dornier and the Defiant that brought it down.
Does anyone know what colour scheme, markings these two aircraft wore?
Are there any surviving photo’s?
I’d wait until it’s confirmed what Do17Z it actually is first.
Thanks to Steve Sheflin over on LEMB:
Ju88A-4, WNr.140539, Burnt out at Fl.Pl. Ahlhorn, 45/05/12, source CEA269 (Crashed Enemy Aircraft report #269).
Thanks to Peter D Evans and GΓΆran Larson over on LEMB here. With the help of Barry Roschs’ WIP database:
Speculation as to the location as being taken in Norway after VE day? I’ll update this with any other info that gets posted. π
Good show Andy, keep it up. π
Could it be a case of telling the relevant authorities what they needed to hear so as to just get this thing out of the sea and saved asap. Then worry about any misidentifications later on down the line? What other options were there? The identification was always going to be an educated guess.
Possible main plate locations? different locations on both of these probably due to different factories having produced the airframes.
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Source: Dornier 17 In Focus, By Chris Goss, Red Kite.
Ok, thanks.
Do you think that’s RLM65 or RLM02 on the exterior side? Looks slightly 02 ‘ish’ to be 65? Or do you think the RLM 65 could have changed over the years to what we are seeing in the pics? If it’s RLM02 it could have come from an area where the upper surface colours were painted. Upper wings perhaps? π
Thanks Pete, yes that topic goes nice and in depth into what other Do17s were lost on 26th August 1940 but I was also wondering if other candidates might exist that were lost on other dates but are known to have come down into the sea in this general area. π
Although there is a reasonably strong possibility that this is WNr.1160 (5K+AR). Do we know what the other alternative candidates are?
I find it quite worrying that photos taken by individuals who then quite rightly own the copyright to these photos are not allowed to be shown on a public forum. No one else has any right to tell them where and when they can be displayed. The owners of this forum should not be pandering to every request made by the RAFM. There are other photos on the net showing this recovery. This is taking censorship too far and personally I think the powers that be on this forum should grow a pair and quite lawfully tell the RAFM and wargaming.net where to stick it. π
Did you put in one to many words there Clint : “Which one is Andy?”π
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