[QUOTE=kev35;1411081]I’m not too happy with the whole ethos of what you do either. If you want to give the men a decent burial that is, depending on the opinions of the relatives, a right and honourable thing to do. If you’d said let’s do that then I have nothing but admiration for you. But you and I know there’s money in it too. Just out of interest, how many items recovered from crash sites and digs have you sold?

Regards,

kev35[/QUOT

The whole ethos being?

The aim is to have the crew buried properly and as you will be aware wreckage WILL be recovered, the aim is to donate this with the MOD/RAF’s permission to a current project

I WILL NOT sell any of it

Yes there is money in it that goes without saying

And finally, the only items I have sold are items I have bought/swapped or traded for, these items have been dug by other groups and not me

I have NEVER sold anything that I have recovered.

So please no more mud throwing, if you want PM me with your views feel free, or this thread will get out of hand and/or the Moderators will get annoyed

Thanks

Just a thought, how do the families involved feel about this? I’m not convinced that it is always best to re-open old wounds, especially when those involved will be quite elderly.

Best wishes
Steve P

Steve,

I have yet to locate relatives of the airmen

So you have absolutely NO interest in the remains of the aircraft? Just the human remains which, if found, can then be given a proper burial? In which case you’ll have absolutely NO objection to the remains of the airframe being pushed back into the hole from whence they came will you?

All very admirable but don’t you think you’d be better off placing the evidence that bodies remain at the crash site before the MOD and RAF and then putting pressure on them to effect a recovery? The purely altruistic nature of wishing to recover ONLY the human remains might prove a compelling argument and in light of the recent groundswell of support in favour of the Gurkha campaign might well gain increasing public and media support which the MOD and RAF are forced to acknowledge.

Regards,

kev35

Of course I have interest in the remains of the aircraft
And yes I have been trying to place evidence that bodies remain at the crash site before the MOD and RAF since 1992, I think i might have made it sound that I ONLY want to recover the human remains, but I meant the aircraft remains also (my error).

Wow, it appears that one of these ‘lets dig up some dead aircrew’ threads comes along every month these days so I guess this is the one for May 09. Well guys I hope you know what you’re doing, especially Mr Me109e who started it as it certainly appears you have something in mind. We don’t have these problems in Germany where the rules and interest levels are different but I have some knowledge of your MOD from my ‘uniformed days’ so I offer a few personal thoughts.

First, the MOD policy is very clear about human remains. No licence will be issued unless the site is under threat. For example someone is about to build a new superstore on it. Is this about to happen? Probably not, so then you are just trying to dig it up because you want to. So you think you can get them to change their minds? With what kind of ‘compelling’ evidence? Do you think you are going to get government or a public appeal on your side right now? Or maybe (as suggested by some other guy elsewhere) get the Act revoked? Are you kidding me? And what about the MOD? This is a public access website so you better realise they will already know what you are planning – it is obvious.

Second, if you go ahead and do it anyway then you better be ready to take what comes after. The people that did the GILDERS dig (already mentioned here before) were very lucky IMHO (although I hear that the Police confiscated the wreckage so the guy who had already sold it looked a bit stupid – and poor). But next time will the relevant coroner be so happy about it? Maybe not, so if it goes to a higher court then you better have a big bank account for the fine and maybe enough spare time for jail.

I have a better idea; how about leaving it alone and doing a dig someplace else where where you can easily get a licence.

Dieter

Dieter

I have something in mind and that is to give the crew that are missing something they deserve and something they paid the ultimate price for…… a decent burial, instead of possibly lying in a ‘Known unmarked grave’, in a country that they fought for.

I understand the Military remains act the same as anybody else and respect them aswell, though i do have trouble understanding them when the MOD has double standards and grants permission to recover a/c remains from sites when they know that aircrew are listed as missing at the said site!

As for them knowing what I am planning….. well they have known my intentions since 1992

I intend NOT to step into illegal territory and do things by the book as they say…

Watch this space

Hi
So finally it all gets sorted out then,assuming we are thinking of the same site, the parts should help the project greatly, I located the site by accident in the late 70’s, and remember what was on the surface,( and what was supposedly not removed by the MU, [tho’ the diary listed the serial number as being in the yard])

( if it is same a/c the two missing members surnames start with a M),

But I understood the site owners were aware of the aircraft & location, or have things changed ?

If I am talking totally O/T please ignore me…..

cheers
Jerry

Hi Jerry

have sent you a PM

Me-109E…you must be talking about a Stirling then.

I do know a certain amount about that site and the crew.

Have PM’d you but your inbox is full, need to discuss some things 🙂