Does anyone know what’s happening now that Cosford are getting XV249?
Not present on the first few aircraft which were not pressurised
Airfix got it right 30+ years ago (Although I always wondered if the wasp was on both sides of the nose as they depicted)
Depends on what condition the airframe is in ! Certainly Mary Alice seemed to be a cause for concern
I do recall the IWM taking great umbridge when the then Director of RAFM suggested their (RAFM) conservation policy would mean their airframes surviving when others (Such as IWM’s AAM exhibits) had been reduced to a pile of corroded metal. Perhaps he wasn’t so far off the mark as IWM implied!
Wonderful news. Now,can anyone tell me if the outer engine angles out in the same way as the inner? 🙂
O
G-AAGX (Hannibal) – Lost at sea over the Gulf of Oman on 01/03/40
Is that one still clouded in a veil of (Official) Secrecy?
My initial thought was ‘They are going to have a heck of a job keeping the seagulls, pidgeons and starlings off her!!”
Good luck to them.
CD,
The NATO commitment of the UK Tanker Force was met by deploying extra KC-135s to the UK whilts the Victors were deployed down south.
One reason is the obvious anti-terror one (and preventing recce by air for ground-based terrorists) but another reason is the prevention of ambush advertising (Ballooons, towed banners, airships etc) – the restrictions on advertising around the Olympic venues to only IOC approved sponsors is actually quite draconian.
But the MOD do NOT own ex USAAF aircraft.
The site is controlled by the provisions of the PMR Act (ie a licence is required) but I have recent correspondence from the US which is quite specific as regards to their abandonment to any claim or title to such wrecks. And they have not abandoned them in favour of the MOD, apparently.
That is not to say, however, that the MOD would not try to flex a bit of muscle and lay claim to it. Recent events rather point to a change in stance on this issue (esp as regards to RAF aircraft) in several cases.
If my understanding is correct, it would be Crown Estates property if abandoned on the foreshore/seabed
“…but I have wondered if that Licence application was ‘pour découragez les autres’ rather than any attempt to seriously recover it themselves.”
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Tighar is NOT in the business of “seriously recovering anything” themselves. They’ll be the first to tell you that their expertise is not in the area of physical recovery but in, if they were to get the chance, recognizing and working with legitimate conservators. Their interest is in seeing the airplane preserved in whatever form is most appropriate, not in seeing it parted out, converted into a Reno racer or sold to a warbird broker.
So who sets them up as the arbiter of what is most appropriate, other than themselves?
Maybe the attention of TIGHAR is firmly in the Pacific region – thus explaining the apparent hiatus in their attentions formerly directed at the so-called “Maid of Harlech” P-38?
Did they not have a fund raising campaign for that project, btw?
They actually explain some of that on their website.
http://tighar.org/Projects/P38/welshlightning.htm
An interesting choice of words:
Contributions to the Maid of Harlech Memorial Fund go to help cover TIGHAR’s expenses in advocating for the responsible recovery and conservation of Lockheed P-38F 41-7677.
The RAFM have apparently said ‘no’ to recovery as they can’t afford it.
Interesting also that David Morris of the FAA Museum is mentioned as a long term member.
Probably not the place for it in this thread, but I have wondered if that Licence application was ‘pour découragez les autres’ rather than any attempt to seriously recover it themselves. But I am led to beleive that there is nothing to stop someone else with sufficient funds applying for a licence as they are not exclusive?
DaveF68 et al.
The previous posts about a Defiant in Loch Ness came from a Troll who used to frequent this site posting about aircraft in water. He used various logins and at one stage posted as a female diver.
He delighted in starting rumour to get the “aviation anoracks” excited.
If you read the previous threads you will see he cited my work on identifying Defiant losses in the area as the source of the claim.
I have previously listed the known Defiant losses and missing Defiants in the area. I have also listed the known and suspected aircraft that crashed into the Loch all from research to confirm or deny the “heard it from a friend who heard it from a man in our pub”.
Hi Ross,
Thanks for responding. I heard about the ‘Defiant in Loch Ness’ story long before I ever found this forum, or heard of ‘Dive the World’. I beleive it was in the same location as Ceees mentions. It was definitely in connection with East Fortune’s aquistion of the the Beaufighter and the then curator being asked about future projects.
Of course that could have come from here originally!
I think, after seeing some of the recoveries from Norwegian waters in recent years, we all have dreams of the murky lochs of Scotland holding such treasures! I think because of the depth and volume of Loch Ness (To the un-initiated, you could fit the entire population of China into the volume occupied) it holds that ‘Oooh, there could be something down there’ fascination.
Do you know if anything else has been identified there? (I found your previous post that mentions a Stranraer, but the AB book lists that one as Damaged Beyond Repair, which doesn’t suggeest abandoned or sunk)
3 earlier threads on this forum with comments from Ross and he has repeated it again here, there are no records of a Defiant in Loch Ness. So can people stop repeating rumours which have no foundation in fact.
That does not mean that there are no Defiants in Loch Ness, it merely means that there are no records of a Defiant crashing in Loch Ness – are there any records of Defiants being ‘Missing’ in that part of the country?
There is the statement of a former curator of a National museum (although I note from one thread that there seemed to be some back pedalling on that)
I think that it would be a good idea if after completion the Defiant was placed on Loan to East Fortune to represent the use of the Defiant in Scotland.
And we can get the IWM to swap us the 602 Spitfire for the XVIe…..!