In my opinion an increadably simple landing gear housing doors for a fifth gen. aircraft. Its getting clear how they created the bird in such a short time! Can be dangerous in an emergency situation or full load but sure they already knows it.

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Will the PAK FA final production variant have a Frameless canopy ? If not I have to go with the folks who say that the Chinese have indeed surpassed the Russians in certain areas.

Sure will have 🙂 Maybe in 2011 we can see it on some prototypes! Today the hard task is to create advanced subsystems not an hull, such like engines, AESA, L band radar,advanced weapons, advanced communications, artificial intelligence, HMD, 360 degree situational awareness, an advanced IRST and integration of all systems…

Also we don’t know how much composite materials did they use or are they good at RAM coatings? Also how stealth is the airframe? We don’t know anything yet!

Roll on the infinite arguments on F22 vs. PAK-FA vs. J20 🙂

Let me get the ball rolling; I don’t see any ‘S’ ducting 😀

Let the games commence!

:D:rolleyes::eek:

611 won the contract in August of 2008 and they (611) were obviously doing some work on this thing before 2010 so where is this 8 month date coming from?

The Russians used a different airframe for the runway trials than they did for the first flight. PAK-FA #51 has an older brother who did the runway trials and then disappeared from view. So the Russkies have built more than one already, but they’ve flown only one.

I know it, but it took two years for the first flight! They were planning the first flight in August 2009 but flight took place in jan.2010. What about, when the second prototype started to construct? In my opinion its before the first flight of the “51”. There “at least” 12 months passed and still no flight conducted. Thats the point what I wanted to indicate 🙂

From Huitong

The J-20 #2001 prototype was photographed when it was preparing for high-speed taxxing trial at the CAC airfield on December 22, 2010. The prototype features a pair of all-moving tailfins and ventral stabilzing fins, and the laters are expected to be removed on the production models. It also features F-22 style air intakes but with DSI bumps installed at the upper corners, as well as a one-piece canopy. First disclosed by US Office of Naval Intellegence (ONI) in 1997 as XXJ, J-20 is the 4th generation multi-role fighter to enter the service around 2015. Since 90s both CAC/611 Institute and SAC/601 Institute had been working their own designs for a twin-engine multi-role heavy fighter with stealth capability and maneuverability comparable to American F-22. It was speculated that 601 Institute was working on a “tri-plane” design based on canard/conventional layout/V-shape tailfin while 611 Institute working on a design based on canard/tailless delta wing/all moving V-shape tailfin/side DSI/bump inlet layout. All designs were expected to feature an internal weapon bay to reduce RCS, which has been speculated to be <0.05m2 (head-on). It was also rumored that J-20 could initially be powered by two 13,200kg/WS-10 class turbofan engines with TVC nozzles which would result in a normal TO weight exceeding 20t. J-20 also incoporates an advanced FBW system fully integrated with the fire-control and the engine systems. Its fire-control radar is expected to be AESA (Type 1475/KLJ5?). The aircraft may feature a “pure” glass cockpit (a single F-35 style color LCD display and a wide-angle holographic HUD). Many of these subsystems have been tested onboard J-10B to speed up the development (see above). Russian assistance has been speculated in terms of softwore support for calculating the RCS of various designs, as well as the rumored supply of Salyut 99M2 turbofan engine (14,000kg class) to power the prototypes, if the domestic engine (such as improved WS-10A) fails to meet the schedule. The overall performance of J-20 is thought to be superior to Russian T-50 (stealth) but still inferior to Amereican F-22 (electronics & supercruise). It was reported in November 2006 that a T/W=10 17,000kg class turbofan (WS-15/”large thrust”) is being developed for J-20. In August 2008 it was reported that 611 Institute was selected to be the main contractor for the development of J-20 and 601 Institute as the sub-contractor. Subsequently a full-scale metal mockup was built at CAC. One rumor in May 2010 claimed that 611 Institute started to construct the first prototype, which was expected to fly by the end of 2010, even though the full configuration model won’t fly until a few years later. The latest news indicated that the first two prototypes (#2001 & 2002) have been constructed and the first high-speed taxiing trial by 2001 took place on December 22, 2010.

Congrats to the Chinese workers and engineers! If the rumors right, Its 3 times faster than the PAK-FA construction and the first flight! And the second PAK-FA prototype is still waiting to fly! But I wonder how much composite materials have been used in J-20 construction? And will it have 360degree stuational awareness or artificial intelligence?

Sure PAK-FA has better engines and more advanced systems but maybe it should be better to take the chinese model for the production 🙂

That’s an F-22 or YF-22.

%100 Agreed

How should a Su35 fit a carrier :confused:
I thought it’s journalistic gossip

Carrier version is Su-33 not Su-35 and we should never forget that Su-35 belongs to the 4th gen but most of the analysts believe that its better than the 5th gen F-35! So Chinese officials may want it almost their fighter gets better capabilities!

Those are the new F-16s produed under Peace Onyx IV and the last photo is of a T-38 being modernized under T-38M Ari project.

Thanks for info my friend Orko:)