medal64Possibility that the engines in the J-20 will be the 18-tonne thrust class WS-15, that will have 3d vectoring nozzles – like the nozzle being tested here at one of AVIC’s engine design institutes (probably in Shenyang)
In my opinion serial engines of the bird can be the Izdeliye 117 or 117s which are on Su-35s and PAK-FA prototypes today! Thats what Chinese officials interested in the Chinese airshow
medal64Second Anka assembly
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President Abdullah Gul checking the modernised F-16s and Anka flight console
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F-5 Modernisation
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medal64Sorry Deino my friend, most of the very good photos of the new J-20 are being deleted from all forms of media by the Chinese. It would seem that security on the J-20 is extremely strict and Chinese censorship is in full swing right now.
And I am as upset as you appear to be, believe me. But there will be an upcoming official release – but very controlled. In actuallity, the Chinese are more open with the new J-20 than they were with the J-10. So there is still hope to get better good quality photos of the J-20, actually, I am looking forward to the official releases in the days to come.
If it is deleted, somebody has that pictures 🙂 And maybe tries his chance one more time
medal64Mother of all deals for fifth generation aircraft inked
India and Russia inked on Tuesday the world’s single-largest, $30-billion deal for fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).
In fact, New Delhi released $295 million as per the design contract.
The Indo-Russian FGFA, termed perspective multi-role fighters (PMFs), would be developed and manufactured jointly by Russian firms Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi and Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for the Indian and Russian air forces.
Between 2020 and 2030, 250 PMFs would be delivered.
The basic structural and system design of PMFs would be the same as Russian FGFAs. A few modifications, though, would be made to meet Indian Air Force’s requirements.
PMFs will have advanced features such as stealth, super-cruise, ultra-maneuverability, highly integrated avionics suites, enhanced situational awareness, internal carriage of weapons and network-centric warfare capabilities.
As per the bilateral agreement, the workload will be equally shared by India and Russia, with 40 scientists from the two nations working on the project.
The initial contract cost is $11 billion, which will be equally borne by India and Russia. It includes cost of flight-testing, infrastructure, design and development. The final cost of each aircraft would be $100 mn.
MTA JV registered
A joint venture (JV) between Russian UAC and Rosoboronexport and India’s HAL to develop and co-produce multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) was registered on Tuesday, so that design work for the aircraft could begin.
The deal for manufacturing 250 MTAs is worth approximately Rs2,900 crore. Indian and Russia officials also made progress in talks for signing a contract to upgrade Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_mother-of-all-deals-for-fifth-generation-aircraft-inked_1484509
medal64Plus Turkey is shifting away from the US and the West and becoming Islamized, so they may have to face towards China and Pakistan by default as Israel and the US no longer trusts them.
Its hard to say whole country is becoming islamized 😉 Today still Turkey and the USA strategic partners and forseable future it won’t change! So in the future, as they did in the past Turkey and the USA will work together. But today Turkey wants to increse its influence in the world and develops new projects. And the booming economy supports it. Thats how we see such projects 😎
medal64TEI will take part in development of engines for this fighter! Their target for 2015 to get the capabilities of design and production of aircraft engines and in 2020 worth 1,2-2 billion$ sale.
Its possible to create a new corporation which includes TAI and TEI for the creation and the production of this bird
http://www.tei.com.tr/yeni/EN/
A detailed news in Turkish
http://www.nethaber.com/Ekonomi/171383/TURKIYE-2020DEN-SONRA-KENDI-SAVAS
medal64What does the Yak-130 has to do with that requirement for a new fighter to replace the F-4E ??
You are right targets are big 😀 They want good A2A capabilities for the new fighter, a hard task!
medal64Sorry guys in being – maybe – a bit too pessimistic, but itn’t that a bit too much for the Turkish Industries to develop a fighter of that class ??
In a time where most other contries with much more expieriences can’t do that … Sorry, but IMO that’s at least one number too big.
Deino
As you know also Yak-130 is an advanced jet trainer/light attack aircraft! Who knows lets wait and see the details of the project.
But If Turkey won’t get typhoons and not keen on the KF-X project if it doesn’t get equal partnership then which bird will be the Turkish airforce’s front line fighter after 2020 with high quantities? Its sensible an indigenous one 😎
medal64How about Turkey collaborating with China for light stealth fighter? They both have common friend Pakistan and lately China has shown interest in building up military relationship with Turkey. China could very well subsidize & help in their R&D effort, in return for special relationship with a NATO member and a gateway to Europe, and off course silencing critics on east Turkmenistan.
JMVHT only
Turkey can get some smart devices from china but in my opinion its impossible to get an technical support from China but Pakistan is a historical friend of Turkey and they can be a good partner at development.But for technical assistance, my favourites are EADS, KAI, Ukrainen Aircraft Industries and United Aircraft Corporation (Russia).
And also as you know there are too many Turkish scientists in former soviet countries, sure Turkey wants to work with them 😉
medal64It will be a tough task to better the F-16..does Turkey have experience in developing the Fly-by-wire or Fly-by-light FCS that modern fighters have? Even South Korea didn’t attempt its first fighter on its own and needed Lock Mart’s assistance.
That apart, what experience does Turkey have in advanced wind tunnel testing, CFD, AESA radars, electro-optical systems and in stealth technologies? The Hurkus may well be a challenging program but a new 4.5 gen fighter will be a lot more challenging. Integrating equipment sourced from abroad will be easier than developing all this in-house in such a short time-frame.
They will either have to seek a partner like EADS, Saab, Boeing or Lockheed Martin otherwise this will be an exceedingly difficult task to achieve. The approach taken by TAI for the T-129, that is going with an existing A-129 design and improving on it will be more practical.
Could this be just a bargaining tactic to get South Korea to offer more of an equal partnership in the KF-X ?
I advise you to read the news one more time, it says;
The minister said Turkey may cooperate with South Korea, but implied that this is a small possibility. “We can manufacture the new fighter aircraft with them, we don’t rule this out. But the decision we have taken now calls for the production of a totally national and original aircraft,” he said.
So I don’t think its a tactic for getting the equal partnership for the KF-X project, its a policy for Turkey to create indigenous platforms. Turkish defence industry is advancing at CFD, AESA radars, electro-optical systems and in stealth technologies! Advise you to check these websites;
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/Sayfalar/default.aspx
http://www.aselsan.com.tr
http://www.roketsan.com.tr
http://www.havelsan.com.tr
I agree that there can be a foreign support at some specific areas but general design, software creation, system integration and probably some of the weapons will be created indigenously for the Turkish Airforce needs! Thats what the defence ministery wants 😉
medal644) France hates Turkey, or maybe, they secretly love Turkey and use it to sell expensive weapons to Greece. In any case M88 seems unlikely. I think EJ200 may be good, or even F414. I hear the F414 is quite low maintainance. whether it is one or two engined will depend on the size of the aircraft. a light fighter like Gripen can supercruise with one F414. or does Turkey want to make something bigger like the Typhoon?
I don’t think its size going to be as big as typhoon, its probably going to be an lightweight fighter and the two seated trainer version. But sure it must have better capabilities than the aging F-16s! So I think we can call it at least 4,5 generation! But I don’t know how much foreign support will the Turkish defence industry need or will they! But if we think that, its the first Turkish indigenous fighter aircraft project and some components will need to get from abroad or there will create joint ventures. Maybe a foreign partner for getting some key technologies. But the design and the integration of the systems will be done by the Turkish Aerospace Industries, TAI. So its a good project for the Turkish aerospace industries to increase their capabilities with such a complex fighter aircraft project 🙂
medal64TAI Anka UAV introduction video…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3jTEultc70&feature=player_embedded
medal64Malazgirt Unmanned Helicopter
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Turkish Aerospace Industries, TAI
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http://www.tai.com.tr/taimain.aspx
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medal64Chaldiran UAV landing at night..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Cd7BuHOzA&feature=player_embedded
medal64The latest news verifying Groomi, lets wait for the Chinese 5th gen bird design! 🙂
http://www.zinio.com/pages/Jane’sDefenceWeekly/December15,2010/416148988/pg-4
http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?o=int&pub=15945277&prev=sub&offer=16916812
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