Dear turkish friend, for once, i can agree! PAK-FA in deed! But, go tell that to our politicians… As for the rest, i do see a “war threat” , it’s called “casus belli”. You know, that little thing that Turkey has against Greece officially by parliament vote. Being in NATO didn’t stop us from arriving at the brink of war 3 times since 1974. Why we didn’t arrive? Because your goverment wasn’t ready to pay the price, regardless of the result. I mean, Imia 1996. If instead of Greece, it was the Cypriot army involved, would your special forces leave the western Imia islet? I don’t think so… Turkey doesn’t want an all out war yet. She prefers to scare Greece to give what she wants without having to fight. The war is far far away, i agree, because your military, would prefer something like 5 or 10 to 1 in firepower as odds. As long as we maintain a good firepower, your goverments will have second thoughts before pulling the trigger.

Oh, they would like to pull the trigger, but for now, they have to be content with barking but not biting.

A turkish author recollects some quotes of Turkish politicians.

Interesting, isn’t it? As for Pangalos, i don’t know if he really said that, but even if he did, it’s out of context. Pangalos was of the opinion, that the local mayor shouldn’t have gone to raise the greek flag on Imia without warning anyone and that the press didn’t handle the issue with responsibility. But, the book if meant for turkish audience, so i understand how “unheard of” theories about Greece come up there (the clichè about the greek church is yet another pearl in that).

Yes, war is far far away. Because Greece doesn’t exercise her full rights and because we still have enough firepower to cause you enough damage, that although some of your politicians dream of the day that you can take “BACK” the Aegean islands, they are not ready to pay the price that will come with them. So, they have to live with the “we can take them back wherever we want” and “Greece can do nothing to Turkey in military matters”, but still, in 1996, you had to withdraw your troops too… Be patient… A 10 to 1 in manpower and 5 to 1 in firepower in some future, will most likely make your politicians more courageous and help them decide to at last solve the Aegean dispute. 🙂 It will be a glorious victory! Even better, a 20 to 1 (like in the good old days of Mehmet the Conqueror). Just to make sure that Greece can really do absolutely nothing to Turkey in military matters”.

Regards

In my opinion you have just wet war dreams.And you are professionally seeking support to the Greece at this forum.But this is not the right place.If you would live in Turkey you would understand that the people in Turkey even don’t mind a war between Greece and Turkey because we don’t have an obsession.And at the island dispute all countries politicians does like that statements.It doesn’t make you right.Turkey and Greece can get in a war everytime:)This is funny…

Originally Posted by Abhimanyu

Originally Posted by medal64
And there will use lighter Indian carbon-composite materials at FGFA.(Russians says India is better than them at this technology).

Reportedly, they have made no such comment.

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Russian officials most of the commitments are about India’s biggest support at this aircarft will be composite materials and software!!!

In my opinion FGFA will be different more than half from the Russian PAK-FA.So the 10b$ development costs shows it.Two seat means the difference at the whole design of the aircarft, new aerodynamics (a huge design work between India-Russia).And there will use lighter Indian carbon-composite materials at FGFA.(Russians says India is better than them at this technology).And it means this aircraft will be lighter than Russian version.And the most important another thing is avionics.Most of the FGFA avionics will be Indian made or foreign orign.So design, avionics, weapons all specs of this aircarft will be suitable for the IAF requirement. Also Mr. Pogosyan expressed that they will develop completely new weapons for the FGFA together will India.
In my opinion without engines and Radar whole work will share %50-50 between Sukhoi and Hal.

Good pictures but can’t beat F-35 and a dozen of Turkish F-16s:))I think Greece should get future Russian fifth gen. aircraft PAK-FA.But for the interim gap Gripen,EF Typhoon or Rafale are the best options.Because most of the countries in a very near future will renew it’s F-16 fleet with new gen. aircrafts. In my opininion together with this war speculations just the arms exporter countries are earning.Because I don’t see a war threat between Greece and Turkey.Both country are Nato members and the war is far far far away.

Helirussia 2009 pictures???Is there any source?:)

In my opinion 4th generation aircarfts are the most beautiful aircrafts.I mean aesthetic aircrafts.5th generation aircrafts are also beauituful but there is no soul, just sharp surfaces.

“Heat exchanger” equip the new fighters with air-conditioning

JSC “Production and Design Association” heat exchanger “will supply air-conditioning systems for serial production of new Russian fighter T-50 – PAKFA (forward-looking set of front-line aviation aircraft, developed by JSC” Company “Sukhoi” to replace the MiG-29 and Su-27). This is stated in official documents of the company. T-50 is completed with 41 of them re-established, and 11 th serial products “heat exchanger”.PAKFA First flight is planned for the summer of 2009, the start of series production of new fighter jets scheduled for 2010, with anticipated construction of 430 machines for domestic and foreign customers. In addition to fighter T-50 “heat exchanger” will also recruit a Russian air-conditioning systems, highly maneuverable multi-purpose all-weather fighter generation “4 + Su-35 (Su-27M, serial code of the T-10M, Flanker-E on the classification of NATO). As part of the serial production of Su-35 Nizhny Novgorod plant will supply 35 and the newly developed 16 series products. Su-35 will be ready for serial production in the 2010-2011 biennium. Assumed the construction of nearly 300 aircraft for domestic and foreign markets.Net profit of “heat exchanger” in the first quarter of 2009 – 33.99 million rubles. (12,8% growth compared to the same period in 2008), sales -305.91 million rubles. (down 7%).