Cees,
Isn’t the tail at the gallery in Moreton-in-the-Marsh from the same airframe as the wings at East Kirkby?And would it be possible to recreate a Warwick from the pieces?
Yes, that’s the one.
Cees
Don’t worry chaps,
The Stirling Project is very much alive and kicking, if you look at their website (it was active when I tried a few hours ago) you can see the magnificent nose turret that they have restored. Over the years we have provided a lot of information regarding measurments from recovered items to them. Only last year I found a Stirling tailwheel in Holland which was exchanged with the team to complete the tailwheel assembly they have.
Also the good new is that the RAF Museum’s sections will be available to the team for reference. Now that is co-operation as it should be. At least they are aiming to construct a full size cockpit section using the correct materials and any original parts they can lay their hands on. The problem is that the drawings were destroyed and the very few originals left are now being gathered from all over the UK as well as the teams own draughtsman who has been reverse engineering the missing ones. That shows what a difficult project they had taken on, but they are making progress.
The early mark Hercules they got is also a beautiful object in its own right. Until a complete Stirling is found lurking beneath the surface of some Scandinavian lake or fjord this is the only significant attempt to ressurect the Stirling. A very important type. And the RAF Sub Aqua club is looking for any possible crash site after they abandoned the Norwegian Stirling site some years ago.
Peter van Gelderens aim was never to claim to build a Stirling cockpit, but he wanted to make something three-dimensional that could give great satisfaction to former crewmembers and to date he has succeeded in just doing that: giving pleasure to former Stirling crew, and they have been so grateful to at least get the feeling of their experiences all those years ago back. And while in the museum it will give still further information to future generations who don’t even know what a Stirling looks like or have never even heard about it.
Cheers 🙂
Cees
Hi Archie,
I don’t have the serial to hand at the moment but the recovery was covered in a very interesting article in FP about a decade ago. The complete wings with nacelles and undercarriage and one engine as well as the rear fuselage and tail section in unbelievably good condition. The fuel tanks were even still fitted.
It was recovered by SYAM at Firbeck (IIRC) and they intended to have it fully restored but don’t know what happened next as the remains were scattered across the UK unfortunately.
Does East Kirkby have any plans for the wings? If not then why not providing these to Mark Evans (tongue in cheek). Mmm I know that is not so easy.
Cees
Cees.
keep me in mind if you happen to come across a control column or throttle box?! The ywould look great in front of My halifax panel
Sorry Peter,
Couldn’t resist. I have been doing some hangar flying. 😉
Cheers
Cees
Hi All,
What about KA 114 an FB 26, which (as far as I know) has been in long term storage in the Canadian Museum of Flight & Transportation? I don’t know the condition of this Mossie, but it’s not supposed to be good.
Merry Christmas to all,
Neilly
Wasn’t this the one found on a farm and almost falling to bits? I remember seing a photograph of the fuselage and wings which were reasonably complete but years of outside storage doesn’t do the wood any good.
Cheers
Cees
Fair enough 😉
Good luck with your investigations.
Cheers
Cees
A book about the A W Whitley is long overdue. Apart from some odds and ends in former aircrew’s book there is very little about this important aircraft type (I have never seen the Whitley file, apart from some photocopied pages Elliott showed me, so I cannot comment on that one).
And some very nice books about the restoration of some imporant aircraft similar to the two books by Graham Warner about the Blenheim rebuilds. Once you start reading them you cannot put them down. The book about the restoration of Black Six is another gem. I hope they will publish one about the restoration of Halifax NA337 as well :rolleyes:
Cheers
Cees
Would be nice if they cleaned up the ex-South African Ventura and put it on display, That would free some more storage space etc.etc.
Cees
I’m with Peter and Lancman that the yellow indicates armour plating. And as Lancman said there is a lot of armour plate in the Lanc. With every recovery a large number of thick armour plate is found.
I also one heard a former crewmember say that by marking the armour plating with a yellow disk, this would also make it easier to allow for any compass deviation corrections to be made on said card.
Hope this helps
Cees
Pathfinder,
For this kind of work wouldn’t it be a good idea to invest in some well known books such as Bomber Command Losses, Fighter Command Losses etc. This will give you an excellent library where you can have instant information that will lead you into further investigations.
Just a tip, I have been there myself. 🙂
Cheers
Cees
Cees.
keep me in mind if you happen to come across a control column or throttle box?! The ywould look great in front of My halifax panel
😀 😀 😀 😀
Well, if all goes as planned I can finally start some serious construction work on my replica Halifax cockpit/flight engineers section early in 2005. Apart from that there is an investigation underway to find out what happened to two missing RAF aircrew since their Halifax crashed in Holland, and this will probably result in badgering the local mayor for his approval to have the wreck of this Halifax recovered. And there are a few investigations including some unknown substantial aircraft wrecks in the big lake in the middle of The Netherlands (the IJsselmeer), and some recoveries of our own as well. I also hope to make it to Shoreham again and perhaps Cockpitfest at Newark.
Seem like I have a lot to do, I’m looking forward to it.
Cheers
Cees
Mmm, just got back from the UK. No other instrument panels to see?
Cees
Peter,
Yes, if all goes to plan we are going to call it the Dutch Bomber Command Cockpit Collection or something similar.
And would you believe it that another friend of mine is building his full size Stirling replica cockpit made of wood in the museum I work for as a volunteer.
Although made of wood, it looks stunning and uses original instruments and fittings he can find. It used to be about six feet long when still in his parents attic. In May of this year it was dismantled and brought over to the museum where he is extending it and it measures now about 18 feet and includes the flight engineeer and wireless operators position. Until the UK’s Stirling project starts construction of their cockpit, this is the nearest thing to see a Stirling cockpit from close guarters. So cockpits from the RAF trio of heavies can be found in Holland, not bad eh.
Back to topic, and I’m off to New Castle this afternoon. Now you make sure that a lot of instrument panels piccies are posted in this thread when I get back on sunday. 😀
Cheers
Cees
Philip,
Tell us more. And you should also know more about Driffield.
Cheers
Cees