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August 20, 2004 at 2:26 pm in reply to: Here's an Ebay auction to watch… #1611724

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Well that’s e-bay isn’t it? Sitting lazy in a comfy chair and see what’s for sale. If there is something interesting just make sure the highest bid is placed and bingo an instant aviation collection (provided there is a healthy bankaccount lurking somewhere).

This really is the deathstab for aerojumbles such as Shoreham etc. in the long run and takes the fun out of chasing leads and components as well as the social side of it (having a pint somewhere and talking shop).

But as most vendors are offering things on e-bay instead of going to jumbles (some people exepted of course) we collectors almost have no choice. 🙁

Pity.

Cees

August 20, 2004 at 10:53 am in reply to: Handley Page Hampden #1611912

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Hampden

Does anyone have any recent pics of the Hampden wreckage that was imported a year or two ago by the Hunt brothers? Among the wreckage was a tailsection. Alos what happened (or is going to) with it.

Cheers

Cees

August 19, 2004 at 4:16 pm in reply to: Here's an Ebay auction to watch… #1613655

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Same here Peter

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August 19, 2004 at 4:10 pm in reply to: Here's an Ebay auction to watch… #1613661

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When I read this post I immediately rang a friend of mine and told him the sad news that Gordon Howell had passed away. He didn’t know and was shocked. He had been in close contact last year regarding the Lancaster project. I hope it all will end up with a good home and incorporated into a superb display item in its own right instead of being scattered all over the globe. Here’s to hoping. 🙁

Cheers

Cees

August 19, 2004 at 4:07 pm in reply to: US Use of Tallboy / Grand Slam… #1613693

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The only US aircraft type that ever was capable of carrying tallboys or grand slams was the B-29. And that was postwar.

HTH

Cees

August 19, 2004 at 4:05 pm in reply to: Elvington Air Display #1613695

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Well, the area is crawling with history. Just wait until you get on the base and start reading it. A Halifax Mk II wreck we recovered last year was based there with 77 squadron and the Free French were also stationed there.

I’m sure you will enjoy your stay there. I hope to visit there again soon.

Cheers

Cees

August 18, 2004 at 4:48 pm in reply to: Vickers Wellesley #1615297

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Another hole to be plugged in the British historical aircraft line-up (RAF Museum). :rolleyes:

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August 18, 2004 at 4:47 pm in reply to: Stirling fuselage section #1615299

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Thanks Jempy,

Well, that’s because the museum is run by enthusiasts who just enjoy talking “shop”. I also enjoy it very much and it never bores.

When on museum duty I always look out for eldery men who stand next to an engine or display board and are very focused on what’s to be seen or read. Nine of of ten this is a veteran or someone who experienced these things up close. The stories they tell are incredible.

Cheers

Cees

August 18, 2004 at 4:43 pm in reply to: Stirling fuselage section at Manston #1615300

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Hi John,

That section looks great. It seems that a lot of sections are still surviving here and there. Let’s see what turns up in the near future.

Cheers

Cees

August 18, 2004 at 8:54 am in reply to: use of (warbird) pilot seats in other aircraft types #1616453

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Thanks Al,

Sounds very plausible.

Cheers

Cees

August 17, 2004 at 6:28 pm in reply to: Stirling fuselage section #1617435

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Hi Cees

Is this the Stirling near the Isle of Wight? I was told that this was a complete wreck and not even worth recovering.

Did these guys have any Whitley parts by the way?

Any news on the section of the section of cowling from a Whitley from N1521? I would be most interested in hearing more about it. I’m sorry to say that the american guy who got those window catches is not responding which is very frustrating. I will keep working on him.

Another recovery in the pipeline soon, and awaiting delivery of a new toy to assist in locating our Whitley in the channel.

Elliott

Elliott,

The gentleman who has the Whitley engine intake (a small one) doesn’t want to part with it now. If he had said so sooner it would have saved me a lot of trouble. There’s no hurry with the windowcatch 🙂

Cheers

Cees

August 17, 2004 at 10:44 am in reply to: Stirling fuselage section #1788476

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Realistically, the only organisation with the resources to mount a recovery and restoration on that scale would be the RAF. And that would require the will to divert a huge amount of effort and resources away from other worthy projects in order to achieve it.

I’m very much of the opinion that these things shouldn’t be recovered just for the sake of it – if you don’t have the wherewithall to restore it (or at least preserve and display it, a la Hendon Halifax), it should be left where it is.

Mike,

I totally agree about that. There are several cases where aircraft were recovered and then let to corrode away because there was no plan for restoration. The Lake Bicarosse Dornier Do-24’s and the Lake Schwering Fw-190D and Lake Balaton Ju88G-1 spring to mind. With the first scrapped and the other two under restoration now but not before a lot of airframe had corroded beyond help.

The recovery of Halifax NA337 is a good example of having a plan first and then recover later. The same goes for the currect plans to find and recover LW170 for restoration. With (hopefully) another one to follow 😎 .

But if the MOD calls off a Stirling investigation which they had been carrying out for almost a year because of human remains, then I’m having serious doubt if anything can ever be expected from that direction. But then again that’s just my opinion.

Cheers

Cees

August 17, 2004 at 10:37 am in reply to: Stirling fuselage section #1788488

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Hi Gerry,

No, it’s not, but I would like to more about that one?

This section was used for many years as a shed in someone backyard. When the house was sold the new owner wanted to get rid of the eyesore and when he removed the overgrowth, he was stunned to see a fuselage section.
It was taken to the museum at Deelen where it is now on show but there are no plans to incorporate it into a restoration as the frames are all cut off at the floor.

The photograph shows what it looked like first (see the circle)

Cheers

Cees

August 17, 2004 at 10:24 am in reply to: Spitfire remains on display #1788492

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Thanks Mark,

I was reading an old copy of the other magazine yesterday and there was the item about the recovery with the serial. But you beat me to it.

It’s great to see your enthusiasm (or should that be obsession 😉 ) sparking off the computer screen as always.

Cheers

Cees

August 16, 2004 at 5:56 pm in reply to: Stirling fuselage section #1789053

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Mike,

There is still Stirling EF311 in the Channel. Although in salt water, the structure of the wings is largly intact and could perhaps be useful in recreating engineerings drawings. But who is going to recover it?

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