Ali,

I have re-read this topic again and it’s strange how it has been allowed to degrade a bit, but there are some observations:

fact:

The majority on this forum is taking you serious
There are some constructive advises and critisisms
There is no such thing as a collective slagging off of newbies. if that was the case I would’n want to be part of it and not participate on this forum
The majority of the participants of this topic are supportive of your actions but obviously there are many ways an investiagion can be done.
IMHO there is no such thing as old hands in wreck recovery that do not like new blood to mingle in “their” business.
There is a certain way of bitchiness in your answers in reply to well intended advice.
There have been women involved in this kind of work in the past (remember Phillipa Hotchkiss, is she still active?) so the more the merrier.
You are very quick on the mark to put socalled arm-chair aviation historians (or sock and sandle brigade) on one heap with people who are active in this field.
There are a lot of people on this forum who you can read about in the various aviation magazines (some of which are lifelong heroes of mine) and they would welcome any new blood to keep the torch burning (there are also a lot of people who do not want others to “steal” their treasures, but that is an unfortunate side-effect of this kind work).
Final fact: people have given you some well meant feedback (among which I am one) which received a rather scathing reply (what I call bitching, but hey I’m Dutch).

So once again. Good luck with your investigations and personally I hope to read about a succesful recovery soon in one of the various mags. If so then I can feel nothing but praise for your actions. But, over the years I have learnt from other people and from mistakes as well, I suggest you do the same.

Finally: quotes of long dead people or latin doesn’t serve any purpose

Cees

Stirling Halifaxus est Hampden Liberatores Carpe Fortressium

I’m not doing a runner at all. I have my ideas and it’s rather amusing to listen to the “socks and sandles” brigade who probably sit on their fat behinds looking at books and just criticise any effort or enthusiasm whilst trying to give the impression they are the experts in their field. There have been a few who have written to me about searching bodies of fresh water and given their support (you know who you are 😀 ) and it’s been great. One message said “I have done little research” and that’s a load of rubbish as I have spend literally hours searching the archives and following the history of these aircraft. The liken me to the guy who said “I will dig up these Lancasters” but I have never said that and if you check my posts all I have said is “I think someone i.e. me, should look”. Someone said “it doesn’t make Archaeological sense” but I have to ask why? They give me advice on searching water when they don’t even know what my experience is in search and locating wrecks is. There are a lot here who just spout rubbish and probably couldn’t even find their own a** in the dark with both hands. Oh well…… Can’t be helped……. Maybe they just think “Silly little girly”…….. Is there a part of the aviation enthusiast brigade that sits there at the end of the runway with a notpad, dressed in a parka taking down tail numbers?

Ali :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

“Some people used to believe the Earth was flat. There are some people today whom I’d love to push off the edge, if I could make it look like an accident.” Eromon D’Alyzala (b. 1942)

Here is a pic from this sock and sandle brigade member. I’m the one with the darkblue wetsuit. The bit sticking out is seven metres of wingsection of Whitley N1521. Ali, don’t start bitching when given some feedback (tongue very heavily in cheek).

Just go for it, but do it with a lower profile.

Cheers

Cees

[QUOTE=Allison Johnson]I have never said it was ME who was going to recover them. I have always said lets look and see if they can be recovered. Don’t think for a moment that I thought that just by attaching a lift bag and they will rise gracefully from the water. All I would do is pass on the video and positions to a group that can do all the work. I don’t want to see anything just dragged out and then left on the side rot. If someone want’s to recover them and have a reasonable idea of where they are I want to do the search.

Ali[/QUOTE]

Ali,

If this is the case then I fear that nothing will ever happen. In my experience it is always you who will come into action to get things done. If other people or organisations are involved the chance that something happens will be less than nil 😎

So far all you have done is fishing for information for several promising sites. The best thing would be to go out on your own and find out first before making things public.

Sorry to spoil your party, but this happens all the time.

Anyway, good luck but just think what you want to accomplish.

Chasing shadows is such a waste of time.

Cees

Well put, Bruce,

If the RAF Museum had left Halifax W1048 at the bottom for a decade longer things might have been different (or it would have been restored in Canada by now).

Part of a recovery plan is what to do with the airframe as soon as it has been recovered. The recovery might be the easy part but it really starts after that has been accomplished. Too many airframes have been destroyed because of poor planning. The Fw190-D that was recovered from Lake Schwering in Germany a decade ago had been allowed to almost corrode away and now FlugWerk had to come to the rescue but at the cost of the amount of original material.

We hope to lift a complete Halifax tailsection soon but before we can do that we have to plan first how to preserve it. We don’t know yet so until then it stays at the bottom.

Cheers

Cees

Try the Bristol Bulldog at the RAF Museum Hendon or their archives. Peter Elliott you should contact, he is a helpful chap.

Cheers

Cees