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  • in reply to: Miles Messenger #1156684
    MikeHoulder
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    Hi, about Miles Gemini G-ALCS
    It was my Dad’s aeroplane for quite a few years. Do you have any parts, info or whatever. I think it crashed in Ireland after my Dad sold it.
    Mike

    in reply to: 10 secs to impact!!! #1113727
    MikeHoulder
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    Creaking Door, thank you. That’s a section of AP 2062 that I have not seen before. To have the weights of most of the items shown would certainly solve my problem.

    I need to calculate the moments of inertia of at least the major components about the CG. An explanation is given in the attached file ‘Explanation for critic.doc’. I have also attached four jpg images to show my work.

    When complete, in another six months at least, the Lancaster will be offered gratis with a strong suggestion that a donation to one of the RAF, RCAF, RAAF, RNZAF charities is appropriate.

    I would welcome any suggestions or criticisms.
    Many thanks
    Mike

    in reply to: 10 secs to impact!!! #1101613
    MikeHoulder
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    bolyman, that would be great (much, much more than great!). But remember it is structural component weights that I need: wing sections, tailplanes, fins, fuselage sections, wheels etc.
    Mike

    MikeHoulder
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    Yes Tom, I do like Rhino. I’m using 4.0 SR9. Have you upgraded your copy?
    I have two gripes though:
    1. Boolean union fails for two solids if they each have a surface in the same plane.
    2. Complex filleting on both internal & external edges can be something of a nightmare. I’m still finding complex fillets which I cannot complete satisfactorily.
    Are newer versions of Rhino any better in these respects?

    I’m in Argentina and import restrictions over the last few years have put us years behind with 3D printing technology.
    You are an expert in this area. Can you help me?

    Would it be possible to send you the Rhino file for one of my small Lancaster components for you to 3D print it and then take copious photos of the quality & fineness of the output which you could then send me via Dropbox perhaps? You could, I think, easily scale it to a size suitable for your machine.

    That’s a lot to ask, but it would give me an idea of the quality I should hope for locally when I can find a 3D print shop.

    Also, if only I had time to learn how to use the Brazil rendering engine to its full capacity. Ah well!

    The very best
    Mike

    in reply to: 3D CAD- RAF Browning .303 #890139
    MikeHoulder
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    Forestfan, I’ve seen your thread. Unfortunately I don’t have any of the knowledge that you want. My interest is purely in the mechanism of the machine.
    Best wishes & good hunting
    Mike

    MikeHoulder
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    Mike, here’s the point, it was my mistake:

    I forgot about the standard sheet metal rhickness gauge and thought that it referred to the maximum acceleration limit for the structure

    I had on my mind the stresses/accelerations of violent manoeuvres and so interpreted it in accordance …
    Also I was including the beams as well as the sheet as part of the ‘web’. To which swg would not apply

    Stupid, but it happens.
    Mike

    in reply to: Lancaster UC support beam #874056
    MikeHoulder
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    The web here is a specific reference to the upper & lower wing spar beams and the sheet between them as here:

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/front%20spar%20web_zpsusxpk9tg.jpg~original

    Sorry, Greg, but I don’t think a single machining instruction could identify this piece, whereas a design stressing value could do so.

    Mike

    in reply to: Lancaster UC support beam #874512
    MikeHoulder
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    Paul, yes you could be right But both O.2516(Lancaster) and O.2923(Lincoln) show the trim of the apex on both sides of both outer & inner beams.

    Both these drawings are complex and very, very crowded. What I’m trying to do is to confirm my understanding of the drawings by finding matching photos if I can.

    Something else which seems very interesting is a comment on drawing O.2362. This drawing shows how the beams are attached to the front wing spar web. Here is the comment for the shim, drawing 13/E.4560, “Not Required when 7G Web is used”:

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/7G%20web%20reference_zpsoiufb5wi.jpg~original

    I interpret this comment to confirm that for some Lancasters at some point in time the wing spar webs were stressed to 7G. Think stresses caused by the ‘corkscrew’ combat evasion. That 7G value is pretty high.

    The last amendment date of O.2362 is 23rd Feb 1945. So I cannot say when the 7G wing was introduced other than on or before this date.

    I’d be very keen to see some comments on this finding i.e. What was the stressing value for earlier wings?, Is this a good indication of the stresses caused by a violent corkscrew? etc.

    Mike

    in reply to: Lancaster UC support beam #876582
    MikeHoulder
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    To illustrate the subtleties that are causing me problems, here is a relatively unimportant issue. It might, of course, illustrate my inability to read engineering drawings.

    Here is a section from your photo, Rob, for which many thanks.

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/section%20from%20Rob%20Leigh%20photo_zpscohhqark.jpg~original

    Looking at the beam on the left, the outer face of the port inner beam, the apex of the triangular cutout has been extended or eased. The righthand beam, the port outer beam has no such extension of the apex.

    Now look at a part of the Avro 5/O.2510 drawing.

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/section%20from%20Avro%205-O.2510_zpsh4nd8zke.jpg~original

    I believe the two areas circled the drawing are where the casting (aluminium magnesium alloy DTD 900) has to be trimmed to prevent the slinging cable from chaffing.

    The Avro drawing is itself confusing, particularly if you don’t read the bit about chaffing. But the dotted curves in the upper circle do suggest that the apex of the triangular cutout should rounded and extended on both sides of the beam. How to resolve this with the appearance in Rob’s photo, that is the question.

    All four beams are either identical or mirrored copies except that the outer faces of the outer beams have a small further machining slot right at the top to give space for a big outer wing joining bolt.

    Mike

    in reply to: Lancaster UC support beam #876758
    MikeHoulder
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    Front view of Centre Section showing inner Undercarriage Support Beams

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/centre%20section_zpsql5jovrt.jpg~original

    Starboard inner beam_________________________________Port inner beam

    http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/MikeHoulder/Lanc%20Reference/beams_zpsxnemnyvo.jpg~original

    The locations of the outer beams are indicated by the red rectangles
    Mike

    in reply to: Lancaster UC support beam #881894
    MikeHoulder
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    I have Avro drawings for two very different variants of the beam. One was probably used for Manchesters and only very early Lancasters.
    The early one was constructed with sheet and standard channels. The later one as above, the one that interests me, is a one piece casting.

    As I said, I have the drawings but they have some very fine subtleties and it would be a great help to have photos to confirm these. There are plenty of photos showing the beams installed in the aircraft but unfortunately very little can be seen. I think it must be a beam out of the aircraft on the bench with photos taken at various angles in close-up. Perhaps I’ll get lucky with Canadian Warplanes Heritage as you suggested, Andy.

    All the best and thanks
    Mike

    in reply to: Production quality and finish #854839
    MikeHoulder
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    I don’t think that Lanc above is zero kilometre.

    Which brings me to the point, all the Avro engineering drawings and tools were imperial measure, not metric. If we are taking measurements, should these not be in imperial inches?

    While some error limits in the Avro drawings for the Lanc are to decimal inches, the smallest general dimension unit was 1/64″. For instance, is 0.22 mm a significant error? Convert to imperial fractions of an inch. With 2 digit denominator, the value is 0. With 3 digit denominator, the value is 2/231″. It’s nowhere near 1/64″. So it’s not an error.

    Mind you, there were errors in riveting. Fred Jones, a very expert & distinguished Farnborough wreckage diagnostician from 1941, in his book “Air Crash”, pub UK 1986, gives a good example, pp 37-39. A number of Lancs were diving and then disintegrating on training flights. With one Lanc he showed that the disintegration occurred when the starboard tail fin collapsed & rotated 90 degrees onto the starboard tailplane. The fin was constructed with two long vertical channels (open box cross section, a base & two flanges) acting as spars (open side, front and rear respectively) on to which a number of ribs gave the airfoil shape of the fin. Rivet holes were to be drilled through the flanges of the channels for the skinning. Unfortunately, on one of the channels a rivet hole was drilled right through the base of the channel, not the flanges. The channel became fatigued at this point and broke with the stress of a steep dive etc.

    Mike

    in reply to: Gaps in our Aviation Research. #854879
    MikeHoulder
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    What about the kings: the tool setters & jig makers? And what about the machine tools?
    Mike

    in reply to: Flypast Shackleton Drawing Index #866787
    MikeHoulder
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    Rich,
    16 tons! It may be that you have something very precious. Amendment sequences for a particular drawing number. In general, only single versions of any drawing number are preserved. A single drawing preserved, D.1649 for example, maybe the end result of 20 or so different amendments, each as a drawing having been issued under the same drawing number D.1649 but with different dates and where all except the last have been discarded.

    To have the whole time sequence of the amended drawings for, say, the interaction of the transport joint, former 6, with the front spar would be a Godsend. This is probably the most complex part of the whole Lancaster design. Studying the sequence in order of time would give a real opportunity to be aware of & to understand the various design decisions made in the course of development.
    Mike

    in reply to: Flypast Shackleton Drawing Index #866958
    MikeHoulder
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    Thank you, Rich, for your kind reply.

    I made one incorrect assumption, that the list was one recently produced by Flypast. Though that was reasonable in view of the short description I had read.

    The only beliefs I expressed were:

    I doubt Flypast have a very large stock of Shackleton drawings. They don’t have the time or experience to produce a worthwhile index.

    I think these are almost certainly true and are not a criticism of Flypast. It’s how life is for a busy monthly magazine.

    I wanted to show that that single entry was wrong and to give some idea of the labour & method involved to correct it.
    I’m sure with your six tons of Shack drawings on paper you are well aware of the labour.

    How on earth are you going to index them? Or was an index supplied in the deal?

    My best wishes
    Mike

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