A F-4Fs crashed.

Ok gimme the serials. Jst a small shot, a serial from a landing gear part anything. And I can tell you exactly what happened to the plane after 1999.

Same for the german Tornados plz. Otherwiese I would be sure that the spotters logs and the ofical listings of planes is a sufficent proove that none were lost.

And can some one explain to me how the exchanged the planes without being noticed. All sorties from Italian airfields were recorded by spotters. So let us say 4 planes take-off. From Aviano, but only 3 return.

That is strange. But the plane could have diverted into another airbase. So it should have been seen landing or later during take off.

So if this is alos not the case, then it might have been lost.

Unfortunately for the believers that there is not one case in which this happened. – Apart from the offical known losses.

Originally posted by SerbPVO
Actually, guys, here’s a hard fact for you – both the Germans and the French acknowledged losing a few Mirage and Tornado aircraft during the war.

Now I would love to see that link.

A-5 for CAS. Ouch that will hurt. The handling characteristics for the whole MiG-19 series are know the “challenging”. And the nice exhaust and the Mk.1 eyeball only avionics and you have a one mission airplane. Doing CAS in an enviroment full of AA, Manpads, SAMs and figthers will be a one way mission for such a plane.

Especially as it lacks the guided missiles (like AGM-65) to take out the threats from a distance.

Unguided rocktes or even gun runs in such an enviroment will be pure suicide, as the planes course is very much predictable during the attack run.

Originally posted by Haleyoneshoemak
And many more to jump into this blind bandwagon:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3456227.stm
BTW, I heard Thailand’s part of the group also, yes, no, maybe so???

Sure let ESA have their wet dreams. 😀

And Thailand should spent their money on much more pressing needs on earth.

Another country wasting money on stupid space projects …

aircraft :

Well say 36 Mirage 2K5 + 10 double seaters

30 used german Alpha Jets for training and CAS
(or some 30 YAK-130s)

18 PC-9 for taining and profincy training

3 A310-304s MRTTs (converted from used airliners)

2 Global Express style types for government use

6 C130J + 4 AC-130J

12 CASA 295 (8 Transport 4 MPA)

30 Cougars for the Army (NH90s if I can wait)

30 OH-6 armed with TOWs or Miniguns (based on the new tailrotorless versions) – light support and recon

12 Cougars for the Navy (ASW + SAR) (NH-90 if I can wait)

air defence :

– lots of manpads
– TOR M-1
– S-300 for defense of key installations

installations :

– 3 main airbases

1. fighter in the central area near the capital + airlift
2. Navy base (near the coast) QRA area for fighter detachement
3. helo and training training base

all bases not hardend

apart from that I would built many road strips
dispersed ammunition storages that can be used by more then one road strip

All communications done with triple redundant land communication

radars. Many mobile system with semi prepared positions. (Communications available) At least 2 radars per sector. One operating one moving.

Local airdefence centers are trained to operate alone without connection to higher headquarters.

-> spent the reast on training, training and training.

You mean like the 50% workshare and design leadership they wanted early in the EF programm ??

Btw, it could be that Dassault and EADS are really interested in joining the project.

Should work very well at night 😀