Most funyn thing is that people believe the new intakes are stealthy, while the smae people doubt that the Typhoon has a reduced RCS for the front section.

Just thing about the airflow and about the compressor blades, and then you will see which is more stealthy.

Just call it a carrier capable tanker with limited sell defense capabilities. 😀

Say hello to the KC/F-18D. 😀

matt,

nice data about the Tungsta, but the range given is only viable in a desert enviroment that offers no natural cover. Add some hills or trees or buildings and the range against a good flown AH in nap of the earth is virtually more then 2-3 kms. And even then getting a lock on will be hard.

I once had a chnace to witness to german PAH-1 helicopters surprising a US Army SAM Battery. The helos remained undetected until they showed themselves 300m from the SAM site.

But as I said, the most important factor in that equitation is the terrain. If the terrain offers cover an helo has a good chance to remain undetected from ground based systems, if it is a terrain without cover, then the helo is much more in danger.

I presume that any Indian drive into Pakistan would happen in the desert areas, as they offer less cover for the defender and alow the Indians to use their superior engagement range, the AH-1s would be facing a serious threat.

Also I think that the main threat will be the Phalcons and IAF fighters. Especially as Indian fighters equipped with modern BVR missiles can egange the helos without entering the threat envelope of manpads and other light air defences.

Tungstas are no problem for the AH-1, when the pakistan ermy is using them as mobile anti armour teams. If the AH-1s stay behind friendly lines and just engage the tanks that are close to friendly lines, Tungsta won´t be able to do much about it. To engage the helos would mean to bring the Tungstas well forward, which in case would mean that they could easily become targets for tanks or ground based missile teams.

Pakistani AH-1s will stay within the friendly air defence umbrella and flying nap of the earth. When using this tactic they will be hard to hit.

I doubt they will croos into enemy territory to look for targets, as they would face manpads, SAMS, AAA, helos and fighters. That is too much risk for your best and most mobile anit armour weapon.

-> Not every one is using AHs in the way the US Army does. 😉

I think he means the following.

US Army uses its helicopters for battle field interdiction – “deep” strike missions, which means that they try to use their AHs to attack enemy forces before they actually reach the fighting and friendly ground forces.

PAK is using their helos as extremely mobile, anti tan / fire support systems. More like the ARAs in Nam. Mostly operating above or behind friendly lines. Target detection is mostly handled by the ground troops that point out the targets to the helos.
For that mission an AH-1F is sufficent.

TOW is still ok, what they need would be a efficent air to air missile for those helos, as they will most probably operating within a very high threat from enemy fighters and helos.

The purchase of modern helos (be it russian, european, or american) would need money, that should be spent else where.

I always wondered why Pakistan did not go for Roovialk, but that is another question.

Ok, I guess we got the message.

Now go back to the pool table 😀

LOL, but they are always fun to watch. Binter pilots seem to ex fighter jocks or something. The turn on did was really gut wrenching. :rolleyes: