I would like to know more about the Mitchell “Moviemaker II” which I saw every weekend form the mid sixties until it disappeared on a low loader to Southend. Always thought it was a pity that it was just dumped at Biggin Hill. It was referred to on the airfield as Bill Webb’s Mitchell (Bill owned and ran the commercial company Fairflight which operated Herons, Doves and Ansons) but it never moved anywhere, just sat in front of a hangar next to the Surrey and Kent Flying Club. Seen the WIX files but not much help. Always loved that plane.
Steve
Ok now there was at thread or a part of a thread in the last couple of years which detailed the ferrying of the two me 108s (Nords) from 633 Squadron to the USA. Only one made it and the other either ditched or bellied in on an ice floe. There was a printed article in the thread, and in the article it named one pilot as Jeff Hawke and the other I think was Martin Cadin but I could be wrong. I have searched for the thread to no avail. Maybe others will have better luck.
OK found it http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?122499-633-sqn-Nord-1002-identities and it’s not Martin Cadin.
Steve
Neil Williams did not I believe participate in 633 Squadron. He did take actor Cliff Roberson flying in a Tiger Moth and Robertson thanked him by letting him fly his Spitfire. I did though hear that Don Bullock flew in 633 Squadron, don’t know if it’s true though.
Re an earlier question, the wheels up crashes in the middle and at the end are the same crash from different angles. Watch them very carefully and you will notice a large clump of earth thrown up in both crashes, in the last one it disappears behind some mountains in the background!
Steve
Hmmm…..I think this thread is going to be a long one.
Steve
OK, just found an excellent thread about the collection which proves the “recently airworthy” remark wrong. There is a good Pathe news item there as well. I had always been told that the Nash Collection was like Shuttelworth and that the aircraft were airworthy until acquired by the RAFM. After reading it I feel slightly less angry at the RAFM, but they still have a lot to answer for.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?41266-The-Nash-collection
Steve
Just how ‘recently’?
Before the RAFM opened so early/mid 1960s maybe. As I understand it there was a fire and the whole of the Nash Collection which I think were airworthy except the Wellington went to RAFM. As usual someone with more knowledge will be along shortly.
The Triplane in the RAFM was the recently airworthy example from the Nash collection if I remember correctly .
Steve
This is a great thread, but it is going to make me very angry though. Every time I think about the RAFM my blood pressure goes up!
Steve
The main wheels are “toe-out” (not toe in), which makes perfect sense for stability in cross wind landings. If weight of the aircraft is on one main undercarriage, it’s toe out will cause it to track in the direction of the weighted wheel, which will help put the other main wheel on the ground. Obviously there are other forces in effect here, but the toe out would assist in this.
Let’s knock this one on the head right now.
For taildraggers, toe-in is good, toe-out is bad and excessive toe-in is bad as well. Mark Hannah wrote and article in an modelling mag about the Buchon and I can’t remember which but he said it either had toe-out or a lot of toe-in. Either way it was not the best arrangement. He also pointed out that as the tail rose and fell there was a significant change in the u/c gometry, and said that the Buchon has a lockable tail wheel so that three pointing was the only way to go!
Cheers
Steve
Anyone know why she flew a Boeing/Stearman and not a Moth?
I think that there is some tie in with Boeing’s Anniversary as well. The plane is being crated off to the US for a coast to coast flight next.
Been watching this on PPrune and there is a fair bit of nay saying kicked off by the Stearman’s appetite for an R44 early on. It is a fantastic achievement, I struggle with the idea of flying my Stearman form Aldinga to the annual Antique Aircraft Association fly in at Echuca let alone UK to Aus!
Steve
All sounds good James. Are you guys coming to Adelaide Apple at all?
Cheers
Steve
I think there is much to be said for the ‘Less is more’ concept with aircraft museums. Now I would not have said this ten years ago when I still lived in the UK, but here in Australia it has become a real eye opener. There are museums here with only one aircraft inside! And they are some of the best I have been to. Sometimes it is the rarity of the aircraft itself as in the Bristol Monoplane at Minlaton, or the Vickers Vimy at Adelaide. My current favorite is the Tiger Moth at Narrandera, which I came across by accident whilst on a road trip a couple of years ago. A tiny building next to the footy oval containing an excellently thought out display of RAAF training there during WWII.
I am sure there are others hidden away in this massive country.
I think some of the bigger museums struggle for money, space and volunteers. So there are always going to be trade offs.
Steve
That’s a great picture Peter. I knew they had been at Biggin Hill prior to filming for the fitting of VORs and had heard that they attended an air display there as well, but that is the first photo I have seen.
Steve
I forgot to say that I watched Battle of Britain last weekend, and it certainly looks as though they did shoot POV sequences from the front seat of the M4L.
No. It was a model cockpit on the front of the camera lens. I have some out takes that show the camera man’s feet at one point! In the two seater the camera was only used from the rear seat.
Steve
Well I have a Stearman (not the same I know) and we can move that by pulling/pushing on the bottom of the front wing struts, or you could capture and lift the tailwheel with an appropriate Towbar. I can also tow from the eyelets on the u/c but don’t know if a Stampe has any.
Steve