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February 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm in reply to: Best WWII-era jet fighter: Vampire, Me-262, early Meteors or P-80 Shooting Star? #1068039

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ME262, purely on the grounds that it looked so good, unlike the Meteor which looked like Wallis & Gromit made it. :p

yep, but it did go on to serve until the late 1970s and be sold to many other countries, its basic and soundness of design made it attractive to fledgling air forces.
The ME262 was aerodynamically and technically far superior though!

I’ve always thought that had the P-80 come along a bit sooner that it could have left a greater mark on jet fighter history.

February 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm in reply to: Dayglo paint on aircraft #1068579

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My fabric has been removed off my wings, but this is interesting. Looks like it is peeling off the silver like tape might?

That is dayglo film, on large areas it is laid in parallel strips (8″ wide strips with 2″ gaps for example), it can go hardish and flake away as appears in your pic.
When dayglo is painted on the whole area is done in solid colour.

Anthony, I have one of the earlier paint manuals online, you can download it from here.

Hi Tony, is that the same version that you sent me on CD?
If so it would be easier for Anthony to download from your link than for me to try and email the doc.

February 9, 2012 at 10:15 am in reply to: Dayglo paint on aircraft #1069377

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Looks like I should use Dayglo tape then. Any idea what the width of the tape is?

In A.P.119A-0601-D, that I drew on in my earlier post, it quotes the use of 8″ wide Scotchcal film on use on Chipmunks & Hunters, this may be the same across other aircraft types but can’t see the relevant part.
Chapter 5, para 9, gives very precise and detailed instructions and drawings on how the film should be applied, its application and removal looks as involved as painting it on to me!:eek:

If you PM your email I can try and email this A.P. to you, won’t be today though.

February 9, 2012 at 9:14 am in reply to: Heads Up Bomber Boys with Ewan McGregor #1069491

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Can’t we just agree that the programme was a very good and fair one?
It was brave of the production team to talk to inocent civilians caught up in the middle of the campaign, the veterans didn’t seem to have a problem with this and it made for a far more complete story, I certainly didn’t get the idea of criticism of BC at all from this programme.

February 9, 2012 at 9:00 am in reply to: 8 Squadron Shackleton The 'Magic Roundabout' and 'The Herb's Characters' #1069494

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Interesting theory Scotty but doesn’t make much sense as the cartoons were dropped in 1981, at pretty well the same time as the Shackleton fleet was halved anyway.

There were twelve aircraft, and eleven ‘Magic Roundabout’ characters used so that only left one character to find. On top of that, some of the AEWs didn’t carry cartoons for some periods between ’72 – ’81 anyway, there are a few pictures of WL757 (‘Brian’ c.1973) and WL795 (Zebedee late ’70s) andwithout any.

I can understand why the cartoons weren’t always worn, and that they swapped around the different a/c, when you consider the maintenance and respar down times of individual airframes.

My impression was that the ‘Herbs’ were applied initially (but how many?), and that pretty soon after the ‘Magic Roundabout’ cartoons were used.
I think you are right about the ‘Herbs’ cartoons used, but it seems that WR965 wore ‘Dill’ (Herbs) and ‘Dylan’ (‘Roundabout)

I don’t know when the pictures that Jon posted were taken, I wonder if ‘Sage’ made up the shortfall of ‘Magic Roundabout’ cartoons in that time frame?

To be honest, without really good quality and dated pictures, and insights like Camlobes’, we are on a magic roundabout ourselves!

February 8, 2012 at 9:24 pm in reply to: Dayglo paint on aircraft #1069714

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Should stress that the services’ paint guide says that, there always seems to be exceptions!

February 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm in reply to: Seen On Ebay Thread (August 2011) #1069721

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Couldn’t be Hornet could it? Looks like the type where the pylon extends ahead of the wing leading edge.

February 8, 2012 at 8:40 pm in reply to: Dayglo paint on aircraft #1069842

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I’ve been viewing this for 20 mins, even started to post twice, but I couldn’t bring myself to link to that thread T/O!

Basically with RAF aircraft sticky back ‘Scotchcal’ dayglo film was used until gloss signal red paint was specified to replace it during the early 1970s. Dayglo paint was used in some exceptions, it seems like high speed types such as Dominies and Gnats.
Royal Navy guidelines was to paint dayglo on. All from paint A.P. 1971.

There does seem to be a brief perod (late ’50s, early ’60s) where the dayglo was applied along with the yellow training bands.

Unsure about RNZAF, did they follow RAF guidlines?

February 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm in reply to: Great Hawker Kestrel FGA.1 vid on YouTube #1069876

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Yes, definitely West Raynham, the Tripartite Kestrel Evaluation Squadron operated at the Central Fighter Establishment there, after working up at Dunsfold, this would date the film Feb – Nov 1965.
They also used a small forward operating area in a Norfolk woods somewhere.

Great film, and very well edited and put together, In my mind two machines that have come to symbolise how truely great this country was when it came to engineering in the 1960s, the Hawker P.1127/Kestrel/Harrier, and Concorde.

February 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm in reply to: 8 Squadron Shackleton The 'Magic Roundabout' and 'The Herb's Characters' #1070181

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Sorry Jon, but that absolutely is ‘Ermintrude’ depicted in that picture (as well as two other pictures that I have) of WR963.
I think you are reading too much into it, only Emintrudes’ head is depicted, not her whole body and legs etc.

Forgive the fag packet sketch again, but this is what I believe is on WR963…

Ermintrude small by jamtey71, on Flickr

The ‘Parsley’ on WR963 looks right to me, and both sets of pics would confirm WR963s established listed characters as ‘Parsley’ and ‘Ermintrude’.

BTW the Ermintrude that you have shown above is the ‘modern’ one and is misleading, refer back to the earlier pics.

You say hat and ‘horns’ on WL793, could these be a hat and ears of Dylan?

I can’t see in enough detail the pic of WL741 you have posted above, strangely I have my own shot on colour slide of ‘741 which looks indentical to this image, I will try and decipher it when I can view it properly sometime.

I think half the problem here is being able to clearly work out what the ‘toons were.
Somewhere out there someone must have got good clear shots of the nose art, they were so unusual at that time.

February 8, 2012 at 9:10 am in reply to: 8 Squadron Shackleton The 'Magic Roundabout' and 'The Herb's Characters' #1070521

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I certainly can’t find a picture of them wearing cartoons beyond late 1981, apart from the ones removed from service.

Camlobe, it is often cited that the cartoons were removed due to a new C.O. taking over, do you know if that’s true?
If so this might pin down a fairly accurate date.

February 7, 2012 at 2:30 pm in reply to: Farnborough 1986 Shackleton FP? #1071228

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I’ve been trawling the net high and low for info on this and can’t find anything at all.

However I’ve just dug out my slides of Farnborough 1990, and they show E-3D ZH102 with Shackleton WL747 trailing behind.
I think they flew direct from Waddo, as I don’t have shots of them landing, taking off.

This is not to say that the same thing occured in ’86 with an E-3A or B, that would probably have been the nearest show to the decision by the RAF to go with the Sentry.

February 7, 2012 at 1:44 pm in reply to: Meteor rudder #1071267

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I’m afraid I have no scanner to clarify what I mean, the image must be on aeroplanes website though.

They are, but not big enough to make out detail.

I think it’s an optical illusion. Because of the angles you are seeing the top rudder section clearly, ie all edges of it, in relation to the fixed portion of fin that sits between the two rudder sections, but not quite so with the bottom rudder section, further complicated by the tailplane shrouding the view of the bottom section – this would be reversed if looking the other way, ie top section obstructed if looking from underneath.
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Hard to explain in words, attached rather poor fag packet sketch to illustrate what I mean!

February 7, 2012 at 1:17 pm in reply to: The New "Wot Plane" Thread (For The Rules Of The Game, See Post #1) #1071279

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Both, I just happened to have been going through my Yeovilton air show pics at the same time – though the clue clinched it!

Give me some time to try and come up with another Wot Plane.

February 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm in reply to: The New "Wot Plane" Thread (For The Rules Of The Game, See Post #1) #1071466

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Swordfish?
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