But I still maintain 63 is Parsley – note the black nose and green mane. Actually the b&w photo in warpaint 6 shows it better. And why would 63 be called Ermintrude when 93 was still flying?
In this photo of WR963 I’m seeing a pink round face, red detail (part of the scarf?), blue hat, white horns sticking upwards, and a flower in the corner of its mouth.
There are two further pics I have showing ‘963 at Leuchars in ’78, and Greenham ’79, and Ermintrude is clearly displayed on it.
I can’t find any decent colour pics of WL793, but the cartoon on ‘793 shown in the nice picture in John Chartres’ book most definitely isn’t Ermintrude.
All 12 AEWs were still flying when the cartoons were applied, getting the time frame for each aircraft and cartoon is the tricky bit!
Pic credit to Richard Vandervord, Air Britain
Surely this is a fantastic outcome, when you consider that demolition was mentioned not long ago.
It would be unrealistic to expect this great building to carry on having a future in aviation, or anything ‘glamourous’ and at the very least a warehouse will ensure taht the Brabazon sheds survives and is maintained.
Mass take off of B-25’s in Catch 22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggdFzq20f4g&feature=related
probably never to be seen on film again,awesome.
How could I have left that off my list – superb!
…but that won’t stop me suggesting that the Tornado would have been the Blenheim of WW3. Rubbish, but the best we had at the start.
I don’t think that in any way the Tornado GRs could be considered rubbish, even if there are very mixed views about the Tornado fighter.
GRs were really down in the brunt of the action in GW.1, I seem to remember that other allies crews were in awe of the Tornados’ and crews capabilities, especially considering the action that they were up against.
Re the original point about losses against the Russians, I would think heavy losses would be factored in right from the start when the aircraft was ordered, it was the nature of the cold-war scenerio that large waves of aircraft would be used at the beginning with a high probablility that many wouldn’t come back, as noted with the V Bombers.
One thing that the MoD (& predecessors) and RAF have been good at from the expansion era to the late ’90s, was ordering large numbers of aircraft beyond what was needed in normal peace time scenerios, and having a very good aircraft storage and dispersal system. In times of war stored aircraft could quickly be readied to bolster initial losses.
Sound Barrier, for me it has to be the bit when the VS.535 ‘Prometheus’ buzzes Ridgefield tower, with that lovely deep Nene compressor note followed by the air sounding like it’s being split apart!
John Ridgefield (Ralph Richardson) allows himself a brief smile as he hears the pilot being told off by the controller (Leslie Phillips).
The Mustang scenes flown by the Hannas and Proudfoot in Empire Of The Sun must be the ultimate for incredible real flying sequences commited to film though.
It certainly has, thanks Bannanas!:)
I’m surprised more isn’t being made of the Sea Prince sale, I think WP321 is the only contender as a flyer, and that DS Aviation were the people to get it back in the air, I just hope that it has a good future and is able to be kept airworthy.
Yes, I was thinking that from this page, http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/hunter/survivor.php?id=269, or has there been a substantial improvement since?
I remember seeing it mounted on a pole outside the old RAF Officers Mess at Farnborough.
WR 963: http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK—Air/Avro-696-Shackleton/1264855/L/&sid=e77fe573ec8662ca7ebf498c33f3d4bc This is Parsley (not Ermintrude).
Surely that is Ermintrude?
8 Squadron Shackleton nose art
I have long searched for and puzzled over the nose art applied to 8 Squadron’s Shackletons in the period 72 to 81. Below I list sources for the nose art of all 12 AEWs except 45 Sage. Many of these have already been listed in this thread but are included for completeness. It’s also worth searching for pictures of the cartoon characters on the web – it helps to decipher the splodges that are often the best photographic records we currently have!WL 795: B&W Photo in John Chartres Shackleton at War & Peace taken at St Mawgan after it was SoC shows Rosalie.
Absolutely agree to the word with that your opening para Jon.
Just to illustrate how things can get misinterpreted, the pic you mention of WL795 looks like Zebedee to me! It is a very grainy shot though.
I was part of the team that restored this Shack, and though it was generally acknowledged as being Rosalie, other members are sure they saw the cartoon as a Zebedee, unfortunatley it was rubbed down by the time I took pics.
It’s a subject worthy of research and trying to get right as it seems to rely on some unreliable notes, I’m still beavering away slowly!
Have you noticed how few 1971-’81 Shackleton shots are taken side/nose on port side?!!
Welcome to the forum!:)
It’s very hard to tell from the pic, but it doesn’t seem to have cans, so would assume its an ASDM.3 or 8.
Though looking at the size/shape of the crate and going from the report I wonder if could be two individual Mambas?
The ASDM.8 (AEW type) is longer than its predecessors as there is an extra compressor stage (11 instead of 10), the distance between the gearbox output shafts (thrust line) of the props is reduced from 11 to 6 inches from the engine centre lines, and it is wider.
The advantage of that in the AEW Gannet was as the aircraft was higher off the ground due to radome clearance, the relative thrust line could lowered in the fuselage, and the upper nose line steepened which allowed for better pilot view.
Edit, dimensions (inches) with installed ancilleries
L W H Weight
ASDM.3 98.67 52.8 44.25 2,716Ib
ASDM.8 109.7 56.55 45.28* 2,500Ib *inc. oil tank
Isn’t the “Double Mamba” the best engine name ever?
Not just a Mamba, but a Double Mamba.
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Have to agree about the name!
Due to the Armstrong Siddeley Double Mamba being the only production success of the family, it is often forgotten that there was such a thing as a Mamba, there were a few built but they only powered prototypes such as the Short Seamew and S.B.3, A.W.Apollo, Miles M-69 Marathon II, B.P. Balliol, Avro Athena, Breguet Vultur, aswel as various engine test-beds.
In a pure jet form four were fitted to the Swiss EFW Aiguillon fighter.
The initial Double Mamba ASDM.1/Mk.100 (Gannet AS.1 & T.2, and Blackburn Y.B.7) used two Mamba ASM.3s, and is distinctive from the rest of the family in having individual ‘cannular’ combustion chambers.
The ASDM.3/Mk.101 (Gannet AS.4, COD.4, T.5, & ECM.6) used two ASM.5s introduced the annular combustion chamber and other improvements.
The most powerful and final incarnation, the ASDM.8/Mk.112 (Gannet AEW.3) used ASM.6 power sections, as well as many improvements it also featured a lower relative output propshaft line to the previous versions.
Double Mambas were more than just two Mambas bolted to a common gearbox though, and each power unit was carefully matched and set up with the gearbox at the factory, and as such were complete ECU sets.
It has always struck me that I wouldn’t want to be sitting with a row of pyrotechnic devices right under my crown jewels….
I suppose they had to be stowed somewhere!
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Is there a reason why the pyro rack is so big and prominant, and fixed to the seat, on the Spitfire/Seafire? I can’t say I’ve noticed this on other fighters of the period?
I seem to recall that there’s a guy in Australia ground running a D.Mamba ECU with chopped prop set.
I assumed that with two airworthy Gannet restos that Mambas could be overhauled? Saying that, the gearbox would be something else!
The construction looked a bit “light” for a nose of a heavy transport a/c.
I must admit that aspect of it was niggling away at me, there also appears to be a light aperture very near the bottom of the cockpit, this is backed up in the CM-10, 100 pictures.
Looks quite impressive for a glider, I wonder if the cockpit still exists?
Sorry for the Br.831 runaround!:o