Fantastic progress Jon!
aww, are we allowed to say…
…we told you so!:D
at least you’ve been good enough to admit it Tony:)
Hey, no worries Brian, I’m grateful for anyone giving my ramblings attention and helping out.:)
I guess the problem is, is that there are many photos/articles out there saying Shack such and such had so and so painetd on it, but in reality the info might come from one source which may or may not be correct, example that 8 Sqn Shack page is a fantastic article, but how do we know WL745 is ‘Sage, you can’t tell from the pic.
That’s one reason I’ve posted up Chris Ashworths’ list because I know just what a stickler he was about corect and checked details.
In fact the post that Dave has kindly put up above shows the pitfuls of some of the information out there and TO is right in that the list appears broadly the same in most sources but there is little to back it up.
Dave was there an airshow at Greenham in 1980, I thought they were biannual events on the odd years back then?
The picture of Dougal in the 2nd link in Daves’ post is definitely the sort of thing I’m after, clearly shows the serial and cartoon!
Worth noting that WR960 is pictured with Dougal in 1980, but it was removed by the time it was pictured flying in 1982.
This certainly looks like Emintrude on WR963 in 1979, http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK—Air/Avro-696-Shackleton/1264855/L/&sid=e77fe573ec8662ca7ebf498c33f3d4bc
I’ve probably not been clear enough, but the feeling was in the WR963 thread that more citation is needed on the markings only concerning the 8 sqn Shackletons, ie not VP293 or the Newark Shack.
I’m aware of the previous threads on the subject, and most internet sources, but they add little in primary evidence.
It would be great to unearth some original pictures or info – it might not be forthcoming, but here’s hoping!
Thanks Brian, however WR790 is said to have had ‘Dougal’ reapplied after it got to preservation, as it was in the period when the cartoons were not worn, and the Shack at NAM was of course nothing to do with 8 sqn being an MR.3, I believe the museum applied ‘Brian’ fairly recently and in respect of one of the volunteers there.
Hunters, Miss Demeanor, G-PRII, and XL573 not long arrived at St Athan:)
What ever happens to it, it would make a lovely cockpit section!
Just kidding, I agree about the scarcity of Sapphire engined Hunters, there only seems to be three complete examples in existance, this F.2, the F.5 at Tangmere and another one in private hands.
Is it the original piston engined Il-18?
were the engines upgraded before the crash to more powerful ones? or am i getting mixed up with th DH11O that infamously broke up??.
VX770 was employed as an engine test-bed by Rolls Royce at the time of the accident, it originally flew with four RR RA.3 Avons of 6,500Ib, these were considered a stop-gap to get the 698s flying. These were then changed to AS Sa.6 Sapphires of 7,500Ib, before gaining the 16,500Ib RR Co.10 Conways in August 1957.
Baloffski, Thunderbird, and Vega seem bang on as to the cause, being structural break-up of the wing following leading edge failure.
Many sources state that VX770 had been put through manoeuvres which were too much for the aircraft and which contributed to the failure, but it should be remembered that the prototypes were not as strong as the production aircraft. When the 698s were under construction in the early 1950s correct stressing for high speed jet aircraft was little understood by the industry,manufacturers, and to a degree by the research bodies, calculations often proving to be under done, unfortunately this was often found out through investigation after an accident.
Pistonrob draws an interesting parallel with the 1952 DH.110 crash, and the similarities were remarkable.
John Derry had been flying spirited (but entirely well thought out and safe) manouvres in the first prototype when the stb’d leading edge buckled and opened up causing catastrophic failure of the wing structures. Its wings were subsequently found to have only possessed 64% of their calculated designed strength, de Havilland accepting responsibility.
Very dangerous times, with very brave test and service crews whos jobs seem tragically overlooked when compared to wartime careers.
😀 Nice spot Andy,
why the heck would anyone say it’s off a Varsity rather than a Merlin from a Spitfire crash site!
Fascinating story, got to admire people like that!
What became of the Chinook?
There’s an ex Argie G Wagon in the FAAM store, I wonder if it was the 2nd one you mentioned!
The Skeeter strikes me as one of those little designs that would make a good personal helicopter if it could be re-engined with a small gas turbine (Bo.105 type say) and new drive sytems and rotors.
Thanks Stony
Red Bull is also restoring a Sycamore to airworthy condition.
That’s great news, I assume it’s the one that flew in recent times in Switzerland?
Wish I could join you with that mission Rich!
HunterXF the evidence is there with the others it’s just the images are usually too poor to correlate to the right airframe.
It should be noted that the Dougal on WR960 was reapplied after the aircraft got to the museum.
Percival Q6? I think some were impressed for RAF service.