Why is it important that a “national” museum have the type?
Just old fashioned me really, when some of the other Shacks have gone because they had to kept outside or a museum has had to close etc and someone turns around and says ‘hang on why isn’t there one in a British national military aviation museum anyway’.
I really do think that one of the ‘big three’ should have one on display at one of their sites.
Can you imagine the same thing happening with a Vulcan (which saw 15 years less service), the RAF museum has one at Cosford and one at Hendon, plus the IWM has one, all indoors, aswel as all the others in various private museums.
Anyway aside from that is my earlier point, if a museum has a highly relevant aircraft in its collection I personally don’t think that it should get rid simply because it needs restoration, restoration and preservation is an important role.
A prime example for me of what can be achieved is the Hastings at Duxford, another venerable RAF type that gave good service, it was outside for years but then beautifully restored or refinished and moved indoors.
Interesting that the Beverley has been mentioned because I see the getting rid of the Shack as almost the same thing, it smacks of the Vulcan B.1 at Cosford loss, the only surviving complete Canberra B.(I).8 sold by the RAFM to New Zealand, the breaking up of the BA airliner collection, Duxford scrapping the Comet and Samaritan.
I agree that the IWM have gone the best way to ensure its survival, but if they can’t restore it will a hopeful smaller private collection cope, beyond transporting it to a site reassembling it?
That is good news and great info John, but it really throws up another question, or the original one asked in a different way.
Should the IWM at all costs hang on to an only example of a highly relevant type in its collection?
It is fine if the aircraft goes to another museum, but I’m guessing it won’t be one of the nationals, and it’s future still won’t be comparatively safe (discuss!), it’s not like the IWM can get rid of this Shackleton and replace it with another nice one from somewhere else.
In short the airframe may be safe for a while, but a national museum won’t have the tye on display anymore.
To be honest I’m very disapointed that the IWM can even consider letting XF708 go at all, but unsure if it’s because I like the type so much that it is tainting my viewpoint.
Surely a museum is meant to conserve and restore aswel as exhibit an object, not simply discard when it feels it dosen’t want to spend time and money on it anymore, I can’t imagine the same happening with say a WWII type.
Maybe the fact that the thread has had 146 views and only one response answers that question!
Very good, I wish some of my model kits went together that well!
So if he didn’t use his reserve, how did he find out it was full of sawdust?
lovely shots AP, I know they have been doing it for a while but you can never tire of that F-16 mirror pair!:)
Hi Brian, my reading is that you have been caught in the crossfire slightly, there have been some ridiculous posts on this thread, but yours certainly aren’t amongst them.
I think Tony and Bruce are just trying to nip some of the silliness in the bud.
I think Flightglobal should be congratulated on doing a remarkable job in putting these excellent old ‘Flight’ photographs and cutaway drawings on the net, not to mention a vast majority of their magazines from cover to cover.
It would be unusual for any museum or collection to put this amount of info out for public use (which is actively encouraged by FG) but for a major publishing outfit to do this for no financial gain is truly admirable in this age of trying to make money on every service or item.
I personally consider the Flightglobal archive to be the most reliable and vast resource on British aviation that there is, the fact that we can all tap into it at anytime is just fantastic.
ircraftclocks, yes the switch is made by NSF controls.
I’m still looking for all the above items if anyone finds them during a good rummage:)
Looks like it stalled on rather than flying on.
From the pictures it appears to me like the right set up for a well executed wheels up landing, flaps down, canopy open, and tail slightly down to avoid the lump at the front from digging in too quickly.
Sad news (shocking actually), but glad that the pilot is safe and that they pulled off a successful belly landing which has resulted in the aircrafts’ and their survival – no mean feat.
Looks like one of the Scottish bases, any chance you have been to Kinloss?
The bomb stores in the background look to be in the right position.
Just to put the cockpit of XG325 into perspective this is how it fits in with Lightning production,
Two P.1A research aircraft WG760 & WG763 (preserved Cosford & Manchester), FF Aug ’54
Three P.1B fighter prototypes XA847 (stored Stowmarket), XA853, & XA856, FF April ’57
Twenty Pre Production aircraft initially known as P.1Bs and became Lightning F.1 PP, XG307 – XG313 & XG325 – XG337 (XG313 S.Arabia, XG327 Flixton, & XG337 Cosford), FF April ’58. XG325, along with XG331, is a surviving cockpit section of one of these aircraft.
Forty nine Lightning F.1 XM134 on, FF Oct ’59
Interesting, especially at the bottom! http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/survivor.php?id=539
It seems like you view the TFC/Duxford blog, can you ask them the questions directly?
See posts 3 & 4 to see why wearing a parachute can work with a warbird.
As I said then it does rely on the aircraft still managing some control to allow for a decent escape, sadly a lot of warbird accident happen during a display routine which is naturally close to the ground and entails higher speeds and manoeuvring.
Lovely shot, always exciting to think of a photograph like that having its first public view.