Great shots Rob, especially like the Phantom landing on 26.
The St Athan collection, along with the one at RAF Colerne went on to make up a great proportion of the now RAF museum colections at Cosford and Hendon.
I’m not sure the collection was closed to the public as such, but being on an RAF camp was only accessable on open days and pre-arranged visits.
Vulcan XM602 was scrapped in 1993, though the cockpit section survives at Bruntingthorpe.
Does anybody have a list as to what historics were there for the airshow. I think I went in 1990 and 1991.
The best online list of the St Athan airshow participants is this one,
http://ciapoldiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/
Scroll down through the years on right hand side of the page, also the collection aircraft are listed near the bottom.
There’s also a good thread on here by Qupee and shows some of the historic types (such as the Beaufighter) which had already moved to Hendon and Cosford by the mid 1980s
Superb shots, thanks to Barry and Mk12 for sharing.
The Gannet is XL476 and was with 849 C flt at the time of the accident. It suffered from a spate of Gannets losing nosewheels after take-off and obviously in this case the pilot was brave enough to land it back on, date would be 9 August 1960.
Did Barry know the crew involved?
Ted raised this on another forum, I must admit I was surprised that an aircraft as old and numerous in USAF service as a C-54 would be repaired and returned to service after such major damage.
Housing estates v wind farms is an interesting one, and I don’t like either I must admit.
Houses are generally less visible at distance and usually come hand in hand with landscaping, however they obliterate the original footprint of an airfield.
Windfarms are visible from a great distance away, but their physical footprint is tiny and usually don’t impact on the original airfield surfaces greatly.
I think with energy as it is at the moment, the government are damned if they do, damned if they don’t with pursuing windfarm (& even worse for airfields – solar farms) projects.
Lovely picture! I can’t be the only one that would love to see a Spitfire flying in a nice civil scheme again!
foundry workers were also allowed 18 pints of Beer per day to combat the hot dusty working conditions …..This allowance started at 7.30 am !!!!!!!:D
Per day?! What was production output like?!:eek:
Thunderbolt was one hell of a beast, even appears to have had airbrakes (of the aerodynamic kind), before many aircraft had them
Some info and pic of its charred remains here, scroll dpown to near bottom, http://www.simplyclassics.co.nz/blog/11_Smoking%20a%20Grey%20Pipe%202.html
The inconveniant truth is, is that old airfields make great large brown field sites for developers, and are usually wide open making them favourite to wind farm projects.
I have to agree with the previous posts, Graveley seems pretty devoid of original infrastructure, and a wind farm is preferable to some of the alternatives.
Are they not the mod plates form the cockpit section that was at Caernarfon?
From post #19 on here, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=115754.
F8 is the correct number for Gannet however the 20134 serial number doesn’t fit in with the known Gannet serial numbers that I have listed, the final AEW (and highest of any Fairey c/n) being 9516.
My only guess is that either it was from one of the Indonesian sections that were swapped around or a ground trainer – but that doesn’t explain how it ended up with a pretty full tally of service mod plates.
It wasn’t the first landing of the type, nor was the jet in anyway considered the worst type in the Navy! The ’50s & ’60s was a very dangerous time for the FAA by any measure, with the new larger and swept-wing aircraft coming into service.
Scimitars (as well as various trials with the 529, 544 forebears) had all ready conducted full carrier trials with 700X sqn, and the type had various devices to aid operating off the smaller British carrier, including an early (perhaps earliest?) use of boundary blowing.
The incident referred to was a very sad and unfortunate isolated accident.
Cdr John Russell was C/O of 803 sqn and was making the first landing of their Scimitar F.1s aboard the newly recommisioned HMS Victorious on the 25 September 1958. The hook engaged the arrestor wire, but the wire then snapped (due to inproper rigging), and the aircraft rolled slowly forwards and over the side. The aircraft stayed afloat for a short period before sinking slowly but the plane-guard helicopter crew couldn’t release the pilot, and it was seen that Cdr Russell had opened his canopy but then it closed again, possibly by the effect of gravity on the heavy forward sliding frame.
The other seven Scimitars of the squadron in the stream diverted away to RNAS Yeovilton.
This was a truly awful accident, partly due to the slowness and helplessness of the occurrence, and the apparent lack of avoiding action, but mainly down to the fact that there was a large invited press pressence on the ship which recorded the terrible accident in every detail. The footage including the sight of the pilot banging away at the canopy with his hands as the aircraft slowly sank away from the helicopter rescue crew and camera view.
The BBC and ITV broadcasted the whole thing that same evening, all press coverage was later heavily criticized for their not showing much respect for the situation – which must have been truly awful for the family and friends of the pilot.
In line with other carrier aircraft types of the time a ‘balance system’ where by when the aircraft ditches it has to let in the surrounding sea water through a valve to equalise the cockpit pressure to facilitate successful canopy, and then seat ejection.
It was surmised by some reports that the pilot may have initially considered ejecting the canopy and seat but then went for a manual escape, ie undone straps straps, and removed headgear, these actions would then rule out ejection. As well as the heavy sliding canopy repeatedly sliding forwards it is thought that the leg restraint straps were still engaged.
A puzzling factor was why the aircraft wasn’t braked or steered away from the ships edge, but this may have been down to concentration on events inside the cockpit, ie wingfolding and taxying actions.
I was reading through the Sea Vixen escape procedures the other day and it is hugel complex (until command ejection mod c.’64), especially for manual escape after ditching. Cabin presure has to be equalised by inward flow of sea water before canopies could be blown off, and the oxy mask removed before the water can get into and flood the regulator system.
I really have the utmost respect for naval pilots of all eras, but the early to mid jet era was very hard for them, and some of the losses were terrible, Cdr John Des Russells highly publicised accident illustrated this only to well.
In short it wasn’t the first type landing by any stretch, it was the first front-line squadron landing, and a sad unrelated accident.
Superb pictures and footage, did you retrieve the data from the falling bomb?
Got to be brave soul stood on that B-24 catwalk!
Mark12 photo’d one the one at Yangon, Myanmar post #13 here, http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=62577
Previous thread on the subject here, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105404
Includes S-8s’ and JDKs’ pictures, talking of which, where is he these days?
XM607 in the light aircraft grey undersides 1977
http://www.aero-pics.co.uk/bombers/Vulcan%20B%20Mk.2%20XM607%20Greenham%20Common%2026061977-2%20D033-15.htm
and May 1981,
http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/jon_land/607_waddington.htm
As Circus says, the Dark Sea Grey undersides were applied for the Falkands missions.
XM607 also wore the unusual underisde wraparound desert scheme of tan / dark brown for Red Flag ’77. It is surprising how many different colour schemes (some very subtle) were appplied to the Vulcan.
A bit like this,
BRK_Weybridgeworks ed by jamtey71, on Flickr
Seeing your excellent plan convices me even more that it is at Weybridge.
I think WZ367 is parked on that ‘frying’ pan dispersal with building 1 behind it, the pic is taken close enough to it that you can’t see the other buildings, the control tower being behind the main undercarriage area.
It looks to me that building 1 is made up from a triple General Service shed at the northern end, and a double General Service shed at the other, and the two joined by a later addition.
A building list from the early 1920s lists the airfield as having the two GS sheds