By association I have linked a crew and their selfless pilot, who died trying to save an aircraft which he thought of value to the war effort with what seems to be an overriding need by all here to rivet count on the text of a film script.

I object to your use of the word “all”. I posted on here to point that once again, the sacrifices of the Dams raids and indeed all aircrew, were being overlooked due to some strange fascination with a dog’s name.

I also object to the deliberate changing of the thread title in order to be provocative. There was nothing wrong with the title as it was.

Ross, ignore the background noise.

Which you created or at least kindled?

Well I’m not going to waste your time and mine by arguing pointlessly about this. It just seems very odd that a few of you on this site (and this site alone it seems) are under the impression that the show wasn’t all that bad, which seems quite bizarre as I’ve yet to speak to anyone who has so much as a good word to say about it. Maybe we live in different universes! Anyway, thanks for your childish sarcasm XF828 – if that’s going to be the standard of debate (as usual) I’ll let you get on with it!

Just for you then, is a link to some positive feedback on another website. I’m sure you could have found this yourself and indeed you mentioned this very website but here it is anyway.

http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=12536

Well of course you’re free to think or say anything you like but I would urge you to be a little more honest.

A little more honest? Like basing an opinion on facts rather than hearsay?

vast majority evidently thought it was rubbish,

I would be interested as to how you came to this conclusion?

The main Waddington 2009 thread on UKAR has several positive reviews and the main review thread on UKAR has so far only 1 negative – not a large poll I grant you but at least they are based on opinions on those that were actually there. Unless of course you mean a different UKAR.

Mosquito RR299 was based at Hawarden, or Broughton but not Chester, which is in England.

Paul

We always referred to the factory/airfield at Hawarden as Chester – still do in fact.

Looks like others call it Chester too.

http://www.chesterairport.co.uk/

four oil leaks connected by an electrcal fault

Really – is that a technical assessment or an attempt at a humour?

Anyway – back on topic. The attitudes of BAE Systems seems to have changed in the last few years. The site at Woodford is worth a lot of money and as BAE is a commercial operation, it has no real obligation as far as heritage goes. Recently the company has provided support to projects such as Airspace at Duxford, the AVRO 19 G-AHKX and getting the RJX to Manchester. Preserving hangars and airfields will be step too far though.

Woodford would be an ideal GA/business airfield, especially when the Manchester airport link road is complete. NIMBYism is, however, rife in the area. Ask any BAE employee about the trees at the Poynton end of the runway and how it has affected the Nimrod project.

I’ve worked at Woodford for nearly 20 years (and 3 years at Hatfield before that) and have working on the BAe146 for most of that time. I still think of the 146 as a Hatfield product, I guess once an DH man, always a DH man 🙂

As far as the Nimrod goes, if Woodford took the useless DH airliner and made it into a great maritime patrol aircraft then Warton took a great aircraft and made it into a expensive and late disaster! ( I speak as someone who worked on MRA4 for 5 years)

The problem with Woodford is its location. Any attempt to change the use or make into a viable GA or business airfield will be met with a lot of local opposition from Wilmslow and Poynton. The airfield is mostly in Stockport whereas it affects mostly Cheshire.
Only the airfield part in the middle is classified as green belt land – where the factory is and flight sheds on the south side can be re-developed for industrial use I believe. The flight sheds hangars date from the 1920s but I don’t know if they are protected in any way – I suspect not.
We’ll find out what is going to happen in 2012 I guess.

The book “Cheshire airfields of the Second World War” by Aldon Ferguson has a good section on Woodford.

Who employs these people? Maybe nobody does.

Another urban legend?

The prototype BAe146 E1001 G-SSSH was converted to the -300 prototype and still flies as E3001 G-LUXE with FAAM.

The prototype Jetstream 31 G-JSSD is at East Fortune and the prototype Jetstream 41 G-GCJL is in bits at Humberside.

The first AVRO RJ E2208 is in storage in the US somewhere.

The first AVRO RJX is at Woodford and is used as a training aid.

ATP prototype G-MATP was broken up at Woodford last year.

hawker typhoon???

the “pity its not a proper typhoon” comment above is what i think he’s referring to lol

Oh right. As far as I know a Eurofighter Typhoon is proper Typhoon as well. I realize it wasn’t built in the 1940s and is therefore a lot less interesting as far as this forum is concerned but it is still a historic aircraft that deserves to be preserved.