From the Brazilian Navy site. See the automatic translation form portuguese to english.

2 conventional NAe of 50-60,000 ton., first one for 2028.

Talk is cheap. These are dreams of the admiralty. The Brazilian Navy has no budget to operate aircraft carriers even old ones.

Why 767s rather than the superior A330 MRTT platform?

Because an used 767 is lot cheaper than a brand new A330.

The problem is that defence is also very expensive in terms of equipment and operations of that equipment. Seems to me that if Brazil spends 80% of the defence budget on salaries etc. then they are out of balance.

And the brazilian congress recentely approved an increase of more than 30 thousand people for the armed force, mostly officer. There is a disproportional number of officers in the military, “too many chiefs for a few indians”. They must do what the russians did and cut the numbers of officers drastically.

Embraer presents first upgraded AF-1B Skyhawk for Brazilian Navy

Now they only need an aircraft carrier that works, escorts and so on.

Guys please cut Jungle Boy some slack, he is just echoing the general impatient and disheartened mood that we have been recently taking hold of many of our defense related internet forums. It is true that the lack of contracts signed this year clearly symbolizes the Brazilian government’s significant economic-related unease. The local currency has sharply devalued in comparison to the US dollars and the (government induced) heated internal demand for gas and diesel is uncomfortably multiplying the international payments deficit. So naturally this is far from the best moment to create new dollar-denominated debts. The truth is that ALL the military reequipement plans are still valid. The times may have slipped but the plan is still the same. 15 diesel electric subs, six nuclear powered subs two aircraft carriers, a new northern fleet base, thirty new surface warships, etc. The National Defence Strategy breaks Brazil’s main military interest in two areas: a) The Amazon and b) the South Atlantic Ocean that hasn’t changed at all. Brazilian newly built OPVs have been calling regularly on African nations to try to build long term international relationships focused in developing their own armed forces, especially navies. In October one of these OPVs, probably BNS Apa, will go to Angola for their national day commemorations. It is true we don’t have any clear and present “enemy at the gates” but the Government is starting to understand that there is a good geopolitical payback in assisting our neighbors on how to better use their own military means. The Brazilian defense industry is the key player in this process, it is they’re ability to leverage government investment and to turn it into exportable goods and services that is really pushing the military reequipement plans forward. The Brazilian defense industry is currently not structured in its final ideal configuration and many of our deep pocketed giant construction companies are still examining what is the the most effective way forward for them… as soon as this economic turmoil passes contracts are bound to be signed. Money for the four diesel electric and for the first SSN is flowing and progress is happening at a brisk (actually unheard of before in Brazil military history) pace. The same can be said about Embraer’s upcoming KC-390 airlifter, everything is on track and all the milestones are being met as planned. This last month alone the first modernized AM-X attack fighter was delivered to the Brazilian Air Force and the first modernized A-4Ku has been returned to the Brazilian Naval Aviation. The “news” of second hand aircraft and ships is no more than internet gossip that gets repeated in the highly frustrated environment of the Forums, just that. No Brazilian armed forces is REALLY considering the purchase of second hand aircraft or ships. If it does not mean new hightech jobs and transfer of technology for the local industry it is just not going to happen. The main reason behind the repeated delays of the F-X2 fighter bid is the fact that it just does not interest Embraer that much, to it government 2 billion US dollar investment makes much more sense on the KC390 (100% Embraer AND obviously much more easily exportable) then on any F-X2 fighter that might be selected. Without strong industry demand for it the expensive next gen fighter tends to languish in government investment priorities. Prosuper is still on, recently sources at the Ministry of Defense have pointed at a possible win by Germany with a hybrid frigate based on the F124 hull design but equipped with the Thales Nederlands I-Mast 500 and with MBDA Aster missiles in place of the German original APAR radar and the US Standart air defense missiles… But to the Brazilian Navy the first priority is to get the new Brazilian corvette program going. This is parallel to the Prosuper but uses the Barroso hull with the Thales I-Mast 100 and a brand new stealth design superstructure. Start of construction on the first of this class is expected for Nov-Dec next year. The corvette`s redesign is ongoing right now. Four of these will be manufactured in Brasil in the first production tranche. On the Army purchase of new anti aircraft artilery (jointly with the air force) is moving and just some days ago the ministry published the order for the set up of an evaluation/negotiation team to finalize the purchase from Russia of Igla MANPADS and for three full batteries of Pantsir S-1 one for each armed force. Production of the Guarani APC is running with the first batch already in tests around the country. So if you brush away the impatience you see that much is actually happening at this moment. Best Regards, Hammer

As I said before it looks very impressive on paper, but that´s it, just words. “Actions speak louder than words”. They should write a letter to Santa Claus perhaps he can provide this wish list. Ten years from now we´ll bem talking about the same thing.

Pretty insulting. Had a long talk with “Carlos”, instructor on super tucano at pas13. You’d e surprised…

I wouldn´t be suprised if Tucanos e Super Tucanos pilots get more flight hours after all is a cheap aircraft to operate. But F-5, AMX and Mirage 2000:rolleyes:. GTE pilots, those guys really fly like an airline and they fly new aircrafts.

AFAIK that’s still the plan – eventually. Of course, the delay may turn into cancellation, but the reports I’ve found don’t say that’s happened yet.

The same plan that foresee a second fleet in the northeast of the country, two aircrat carriers (nuclear powered perhaps):sleeping: and a lot of other things.

One question with the Perrys is what to arm them with. Re-fit with new SAMs?

They wont see anyting new. That´s for sure. If the deal go ahead and that´s probably what´s going to happen the air defense system will be the one the US allow them to have. Nothing fancy, probably outdated but a lot more modern than what they are used to have.