Lancman and David, I agree 100%.
The whole dig should have been recorded and made into a proper documentary. With the right people involved it would have been absolutley fascinating to document this amazing story from the initial downing of the Dornier right through to the ultimate recovery of the wreckage. Instead, it wasn’t really worth the airtime, although it was refreshing to hear the Hurricane getting some of the credit it deserves.
Your efforts to defend this embarassment by saying they didn’t know Ray would take part are pretty lame Melvyn. Surely it must have been a possibility that they should have prepared for? What on earth were they going to pad the programme out with if he’d not been there then? As the old saying goes, “you can’t polish a t urd”.
Oh! Must just be these wretched shops in Cardiff then. 😡
Thanks for the info, I’m just off out to lunch so will have another good look!
Then there’s the other side of things, the guys who DID do their jobs and had something to be proud of, who have now turned jelly-brain, and forgotten the lot. My grandfather was ground crew in Bomber Command, working on Wellingtons, Stirlings and Lancasters, all with 149 Sqdn. Listen to what’s left of him talk now though, and he swears that he piloted Halifaxes.
Sad.
It certainly is sad that so much first hand knowledge and experience goes undocumented for whatever reason.
I had a great uncle who died about 5 months ago, he was a navigator on Wellingtons and Lancasters throughout the war and was forced to bail-out on at least two occassions. His experiences very nearly destroyed him before the war was even over and my mother recalls reading his log books as a child. She says that by the later stages of the war his previously neat handwriting had deteriorated to the point where it was unrecognisable as his and was almost illegible. He won a DFC but, such was his mental state by then, that he threw it in the fire when he got home from collecting it and it was only just rescued in time by his mother.
I suppose my point in telling this is prompted by Dan Johnson who said…
Seems to me the first clue is the willingness of the person to tell the stories. Most if not all of the vets I’ve met are quiet and humble men who don’t go out of their way to talk about their wartime experience.
…and I think that’s absolutely true. To this day we don’t really know if there was anything specific that so badly affected my great-uncle or whether it was the general stress of the whole situation that ground him down, but either way it’s perfectly understandable that these people often prefer to keep things to themselves.
Question for are (sic) English Friends
Presumably, as a Welshman, I’m not permitted to attempt to answer this question :rolleyes:
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Stringbag – sorry I’ve lost track a bit, that’s the ex-Brooklands Vixen owned by Neil Hallett and his late father isn’t it?
Good point, but I wouldn’t be too concerned about the instrumentation. Cockpit sections are so difficult to get hold of these days that you need to pounce when one becomes available and worry about fitting it out afterwards.
The most difficult aspect of this one would be finding seats or canopy.
Neil P, there’s a nice 2 seat Harrier cockpit just gone up for sale on the International Cockpit Club website if you’re interested, and for a far more realistic asking price…
…wearing a slightly non-standard paint scheme…
Er, it’s a bit more than “slightly” non-standard I would suggest.
They are just borish moaners.
Not necessarily. Maybe they’re just expressing an opinion to which they are perfectly entitled.
Interesting in the first piccie that there seems to be a fuselage panel that’s been taken out and put back upside down (in the rear half of the cross on the fuse side). Looks like the same thing on the aircraft behind as well.
What’s the reason I wonder – a simple mistake :confused:
That lot should keep the rats away from the pantry 😀
Wouldn’t help any backseaters in the Vulcan, of course…;)
True, but their “assisted exit” seats would making falling out and bouncing onto the runway that much easier 😀
And I would not have thought the Lightning ect would be zero zero so of little use to the pilot.
DOUGHNUT
Most seats of that era can be used at ground level, but only with at least 90 knots of forward speed.
I suppose if you lose your brake chute you’ll just have to use the wheel brakes until they either stop you or destroy themselves trying! If you’ve got no brakes at all, and a limited run-off area, then I’m not sure you’ve got much option other than to generate some friction by retracting the langing gear. It then depends on the design of the aeroplane as to how much damage is done to it. Drop tanks, on a Hunter or Vamp for example, would always come in handy in such a scenario – they’d have to be big ‘uns on a Vulcan though 😀
Agreed, it was crap. But the aspect that made me laugh most was the way the CG aircraft ‘behaved’ in the air. They’d zipped about more like TIE Fighters than real aircraft, I expected Darth Vader to pop out of a Zero at any second.
A rubbish film but hilarious too 😀