I fought hard to make any sense out of this response, let me sum it up..
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Have I missed anything important?

Humor?

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But let’s pretend you had to be serious, where does this comes from ?

– then the usual yada-yada… it is american-made, US tech is better than everything else, logically the F-35 is automatically a success..

Nonsense.

Main part of Fuselage Found (100 out of 125ft)

“The fuselage with a wing still attached on it was found in the priority search area and has been confirmed as part of AirAsia plane,” Soelistyo said.
He added it was some 3 kilometers[*] from the tail, which was found earlier, and 800 meters from the black boxes, at a depth of about 28 meters.

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Registration code found on the wing

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Given that a big section of the right wing is still connected with the main fuselage, it is straightforward to think that the plane impacted the sea one wing down (left wing) at sufficiently high speed (linear or in ra rotation) to keep a rather level attitude. We can also suppose that the wing absorbed most of the Kinetic energy by tearing up in view of the relative integrity of the main section of the fuselage (still relatively round shaped).
Also, Front and rear portion of the fuselage (cockpit, tail) went presumably separated upon impact (nose down) and by the kinetic energy of the rotation (tail found with only a very few or none of the fuselage still attached).

Kinetic E of the impact and currents are perhaps the main factor explaining the pattern of separation of Black boxes, recorders and tail section from the main fuselage (tail drift more since the wet surface is much bigger than a compact flight recorder etc…)

Rear section recovered earlier:

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No apparent trace of an in-flight major fire were reported.

Also:

Hadi M. Djuraid, a special staff member of the [Indonesian]minister, said on Tuesday, January 6, that Jonan [Transport minister] was planning to issue a regulation limiting how low budget airfares can go, because the price war could affect airlines’ safety standards. “There can no longer be tickets as cheap as IDR50,000 ($4). The lower limit will be set at 40% (of regular fares, up from 30%). The (regulation) is still waiting for approval from the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights,” he said,

Regarding the cause of the crash, if we make the hypo that the circumstances are similar to MH370, we can notice that the 777 kept flying rather level, while the A320 might have pitch up drastically (the radar data plotting a never seen climb).

Or, we know that Boeing builds their planes frwd centered while Airbus rely on FBW with a slight rear CG. Both use FBW in fact, but aerodynamically, Boeing design are inherently stable when Airbus are unstable. If we suppose that both plane encountered a total loss of control system (Computers or routing), interestingly we have here a converging similarity.

We have guessed around a surge in the electric system due to a thermal batteries malfunction (runaway with outgasing killing the pilots). Today, we have a second coincidence comforting this hypothesis.

An other hypo cames around the “Pieuvre”, the spaghetti like complex electrical routing cables averaging hundred of kilometers and thousands of relay, diodes etc… are complex and to date, major manufacturer such as Boeing and Airbus hve relied on specialized manufacturers with experience to remain safe. With a new era in Electrical system, such as illustrated by the difficulties in the KC46, due to increased power generation and demands, or batteries, we can see that we have a weak spot in term of coherence in technology. Notice, that Boeing and airbus, rely on the same subcontractors in this field.

Example here

The proposed order [from the FAA] requires installing wires and changing electricity load-management-systems panels to ensure pilots are able to use a switch in the cockpit to turn off power to the entertainment systems if a fire breaks out.

Without such capability, the FAA says, pilots might not be able “to control smoke or flames in the airplane flight deck or passenger cabin” and could lose control of the plane.

But obviously, those are far from certitudes.

But anyhow, we shld have heard about the early results of the autopsies done on the recovered bodies. Did they died in flight, upon impact or did they drowned ? I know it’s an horrible thought but this simple info shld have been alrdy released to the public. It is important to help us to understand somehow the events.

Source:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/
CNN.com
http://www.rappler.com/
http://www.ibtimes.com/

*edited the units that remained in Fr in the original text

Dear MShere,

How about waiting a bit or meeting each other in 10 years, here, to discuss the matter with first hand account, documentation, parameters and (sadly) some OP history…

You know as much as me that there are NO data available for us and no detailled performances or charts that have been disclosed to the public.

Hence there is no point to finger point me with such arguments. That does not make any sens.

What makes sens is to look at the history of the prog and how the partners (Services/Nations) have trimmed the program.

Generally speaking, for the USAF for ex, the 35 went from and A2G mostly dedicated platform that had to operate under the umbrella of a large fleet of Raptor (see the X32?) to a self operating platform. And that even while the A2A threat have grown in significance and variety. It was one thing to build a fighter able to survive enough time for the cavalry to show-up in front of a MiG29+, SU27+ or Euro-Canards etc… But another challenge to make them self sustainable.

In the meantime, Partner nations have come around the idea that the bird was a full fighter with top rank capability in A2A. No 35 buyer have felt the need to panache their fleet with another type (Typhoon, Rafale, Mig35). In every case, the planed introduction of the F35 have been an argument to cancel other buys as soon as officials were briefed on the bird. Notice that this is not true for the PakFA (India).

I won’t discuss here the A2G here since this has been recently debated… even, shld I say, with counter-intuitive arguments.

But this is why you have seen me comparing the Corsa with a Porshe Cayman. My guess is that you simply forgot that the Cayman is not the thorough breed of the Munich’s Scuderia

I have also the feeling that the US, due to the excellence of their R&D, have cornered themselves with a full array of technology that remains over classified. Hence their stray to dilute their tech with foreign tech. Something that Fr, for example, Canada or India could hve benefited (engines tech (blades), non aero turbines (nuclear), helicopters…). the list is seemingly endless.
IMOHO, this is why (a full list of capability enhancing and innovative technologies), briefed nations keep signing for the 35 even despite all the controversies shouted loudly over what still remains… an aircraft…

Hence, such as is the Cayman among Porsche’s aficionados, the F35 is a whispering success.

You do realize E-2 spends a large percentage of its on-station mission time listening? Don’t you?

If an E-2 is radiating, everybody knows its there and they also know the CSG is within XXX miles. That defeats the CSG’s primary defense – getting lost in the big blue ocean.

Yes, poor posting from myself. Stand now corrected, Thx.

Your post is weird. Have you paid any attention to what Argentina has done recently? As long as Argentina has a government which is increasing both threatening rhetoric & economic pressure on the Falklands, how is an arms embargo ‘out of age [sic]’ (should be ‘out of date’)?

The UK & its friends are reacting to the words & actions of the government of Argentina. If Argentina ceased to be belligerent, the arms embargo could be dropped. The ball is in Argentina’s court.

Now, for the love of all that’s holy, GET BACK TO THE TOPIC!

You know that I generally endorse your opinion. And I did not take the time to brief my self up to contest you on that point.

hence I will refrain myself from posting outside of aero topic (but did I ?)

But, please Swerve, don’t make me laugh ard an Ar pressure on the sheep and Pint of New castle industry of the Falklands… 😉 (I do not intend to be offensive to any UK traditions [FrSipingMode=OFF])

a) procedures
b) communications
c) can help vs G-lock
d) hangover?

a)procedure… for a hangover
b)hangover
c)hangover
d)hangover

😉

(joke)

James Roche (SECAF, 2001-05) had the cost pegged at 40 Million (lower limit) – 50 million (upper limit) at the time of contract announcement. Given that was in 01, the cost would then adjusted for inflation (using the 10 year NAVAIR fixed wing aircraft manufacturing inflation model from 2010 to 2019 as an example and scaling that to extend to 20 years) would be around 62-78 Million for 2020-2021 fly away price.

Guys, please, stop it. The 35 went from a low cost affordable Stealth supportive asset for the fleet of 22 (and A12 – I might mix the schedule) to an all wonder viral asset for all the service and its allies… Even so that today the 22 is upgraded with… Ex-JSF tech!

This come at a price. If you are a taxpayer in the US, thx whoever you had alrdy in your visor because the increase in price is just the result of a logical process. Nothing irrational if you keep your feet on solid ground (just as the Raf in India cost ended-up costing twice more, Damn !).

if I had to tune up my old student car (a Zip Zip 89 Corsa) like is my drive today, I will end up paying much more than a brand new (not so ZipZip) 2015 Corsa… This is a bit pejorative, but I guess every one understand

You commit to this (this is not my car)
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You get this (at a slightly higher price tag but still a bargain)

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It could, but can FAA wait? The T-X doesn’t even have a solid design yet. Between that, computer testing, prototyping, more testing, and so on, it may take 5 years before there’s something for the FAA to order.

But like I said before, it really isn’t a matter of which plane is available, but really a matter of whether the government of Argentina trusts the military enough to fund its purchase. Because seriously, if I were an Argentinian politician, I have no actual incentive to fund it. There’s no external threat. If I’m worried about the narcotrafficantes I can just order a few Super Tucanos from Brazil. Trash-talking the UK about the Falklands Island can be done without any actual air power and in fact it’s probably better that way, because that way there’s no danger of the international community taking it seriously.

NO INTERNATIONAL THREAT!!!

Where are you living?

Think about that: when the Pacific will see the first tensions (not a war – confrontation), South Atlantic will be the main shipping line b/w Eu, Central Africa and China unless the Nicaragua Canal is completed. It means that everyone will try to gain ctrl of that part at sea…or, worst case at shore… Patagonia is not that much inhabited and the biggest city with a major port facility outside of Ushuaia (ar) is in Chile.

And I didn’t mention, the tension with oil, minerals in Antarctica

There is a direct threat as well as a direct opportunity for them. If they had the incentive to setup some sort South Atlantic command with Br and Chile, that would be perfect and… cheaper!