TomcatViPQuality inspection probably. Every now and then a manufacturer checks his goods meet the specification. Since this likely wasn’t the first time a check been done, on previous checks the holes were probably within tolerances.
Some 418 of the 571 aircraft ordered by the European partner nations and export customers Saudi Arabia, Austria and Oman have been delivered. All aircraft delivered to date have the same problem, said the German MoD letter.
According to this, it’s sad to say that this is not related to a quality inspection. This is why I have been virulent in my comments since it seems the problem (at least on a media point!) could hve been dealt at its root quicker right after it blew out in the press.
The problem was discovered earlier this year as part of a quality improvement program involving major components manufacturing, said a Eurofighter spokesman.
Alberto Gutierrez, the Eurofighter CEO, said the consortium was managing a “recently discovered quality issue concerning one of the manufacturing processes used during the assembly of the Eurofighter Typhoon rear fuselage.”
Alberto Gutierrez said today in a statement that the “recently discovered quality issue” with the Typhoon’s rear fuselage doesn’t affect safety and won’t curb the aircraft’s flying capabilities.
So is there no Typhoon alrdy reaching the 1500hr cap number ?
Strange statement to say the least…
Source:
DefenseNews
TomcatViPTomcatViP may be thinking the CEO makes millions of Euros per year like the American kind, therefore must be held accountable for every false move. European hierarchies are a tad different than he probably relates.
Well, here is a today example of having a sens of responsibility and the willingness to clean the image of what you have been fighting for:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/02/us-usa-whitehouse-security-clancy-idUSKCN0HR28X20141002
[…] and now will try to repair the agency’s damaged credibility after a spate of embarrassments and failures
But he certainly earned “millions” per year like the American kind
Source:
No source as it is taken out of context with malice
TomcatViPerr… “001“… Ok eoa 😉
TomcatViPDeino,
The canopy on the pictures looks like being transparent. I do not see that gold tinted aspect you are talking about.
If that is, perfect. I guess my eyes are dysfunctional.
But I didn’t make any comparison with the F35 or even the T50
@Berkut:
Yeah, you are right. I didn’t expect it on a prototype. That’s why I didn’t raise the point before 😉 But we are now years past the protos… And the 20 for example have got that Luneberg…
TomcatViPA lack of action in this case is a detrimental error. End of arguments.
That you have to argue around that with “a 3 year old” clearly see that you missed the point.
Even If those press articles have only an exaggerated content, still parts are out of tolerances on a fairly regular occurrence to knock down the service life of an entire major user (109 airframe).
Is that the first occurrence of a problem related to quality with the Typhoon ? No.
it’s even so big that sometime me and other can see it with their naked eye on a simple picture. Do you realize that?
Ensuring that a product fulfill the very basic expectations of your customers according to the guide rules of your company is the alpha and omega of any CEO in the world. That you build Coffee machines, Cellphones or airplanes.
We are not talking about a single of batch of planes hits by the consequences of a faulty contractor.
Just imagine the entire 6M fleet of Iphones recently put on the market being dysfunctional for a similar issue… What do you think would happen?
And if you and MadRat want to describe me like an hairy socialist happy to flame the flag of capitalism, let me say only that you are all wrong. I have raised the issue of faulty quality control as a structural problem of too many Eu industries before in those pages.
I have my own idea of what went dysfunctional. I have seen that. Fought that. And will never back off on it. Those story are hitting the news line now on a discomforting level. It’s an insult for everyone in the industry and will only imparts a bad image on the market.
TomcatViPDo they still have problems with making their canopy stealthy? I can’t see anywhere any traces of a conductive treatment ?
TomcatViPThe Eurofighter’s design service life is 6,000 flight hours, and is due to be gradually extended beyond the previous 3,000-hour limit as flight data accumulates.
That’s not normal. Even old Mig will do better nowadays
Neither BAE Systems nor Eurofighter GmbH had responded to our request for comment by 12:00 GMT today.)
That’s shocking to say the least… CEO’s are there to be fired when everything goes wrong. It’s probably only a war of words resulting from the Indian market, but come on, you are building warplanes, expect troubles and punch back.
What I am saying is that the marketing department shld have had alrdy something on hands to fight back.
TomcatViPThere was a problem in the planing. The route that night had been used before regulary (AFM made a special report that year on the incident).
Alrdy posted, but hard to make better :
TomcatViPAu contraire my friend. That’s a pic from the jet that had a midair with a Learjet 35 a couple of months ago and landed safely (sadly, the Learjet didn’t). If anything, a sign for durability.
see page 30ff, pictures start at p39: http://www.bfu-web.de/DE/Publikationen/Bulletins/2014/Bulletin2014-06.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Yes yes. You are right. I just had a burst of BStyism*… My apologies to all.
*a well known side effect of too many pints of Newcastle 😉
TomcatViPApparently hyperstatism due to insufficient deburring.
Simply said: out of tolerances.
Britain’s BAE Systems had identified drill holes “which do not meet design criteria”
But as pointed out before, we don’t know for sure how this has come to the light of the day. So I will advise anyone to be careful with their assertions (for once – and yeah, I am the one writing this :p ).
It can be many things. Do we have a clear picture of which part of the bird is hit the more (rear, middle or frwd section) ?
Source (as cited above):
Reuters.com
TomcatViPA picture worth more than a thousand of words:
//// Picture removed as it was taken inadvertently out of context – sry for the trouble if any \\
But let’s be prudent. Some times ago I wrote that the J20 has fragile feet. We don’t know here if we do not have an external source for the problem.
TomcatViPJust to clarify…the LanceR C does have the DASH helmet as the Python III is one of the missiles carried although I think the R.550 Magic II (as seen in the first photo) is the primary AA weapon. The R-73 (& R-60 & R-13) are cleared for use as well.
As for air-to-ground munitions, the aircraft retains the capability to use unguided bombs and rocket pods of Soviet origin, but it is also cleared for Mk-80 series dumb bombs and the same bombs fitted with Israeli Opher and Lizard guidance systems. The Litening targeting pod is also cleared for use to guide such weapons.
It’s much more than just a “Sidewinder and dumb bomb” aircraft. I’m not saying its 5th generation, but why are people always so negative on this forum? The point of the thread was simply to post some photos and perhaps have light hearted discussion on these jets…
Strange bunch that posts here these days….
I know Phan… We just have some fun. And I like the lanceR btw. Pretty much what is needed for much of the Zulu alert against slow flyer (airliner etc…) in Eu. Even better sometime than an F4F 😉
For the helmet, my memory seems to have failed. You are right. I had the wrong idea that the fit was more tight.
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TomcatViPWhy Al-41? The R-25 of the MiG-21bis is as big as RD33 and that engine supports a tvc. And why go with some fancy aesa on a 60 year old design?
Good point for the RD33. I just tried to make it more fashionable 😉
Beyond the fun (..and let’s get crazy about it…), the small delta with rearward coupled elevator is still an interesting config with some potential. Seriously.
Extend the nose by nearly one meter, add some FBW, suppress all the static anti-flutter device, get a new paint and… zing! You (probably) got something…
TomcatViPIt is an overprint of the radar screen to keep the pilot SA. I hve seen the same thing elsewhere.
TomcatViPI too like the colors on the aircraft in the first post, but agree a dumb bomb and an updated sidewinder as shown in the first post is not especially impressive.
Some of the African MiG-21’s also look really great with some brown and green colors not seen very often. Definitely more interesting than 50 shades of gray- the color not the book….
Don’t know if it can fit under the small canopy of the bird but a targeting head sight system with a pair of Aim9x blck II under the wings might turn the equation.
And let’s get crazy about it: a conformal 3D AESA in the nose cone, composite wing skin pannels and an AL41F with TVC !
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