I suspect he means militant and hostile ala Iran.

Iranians are hostile for very specific historical reasons. I dare say they would have been a lot less hostile if the West hadn’t tried to screw them up so badly. I would also dare say they would have been a lot less extreme.

My grandfather was the joint secretary of the All India Muslim League, we designed Pakistan to be an Islamic state. It was the british trained bureaucracy and military that stole Pakistan from us. Another **** storm is coming if we regain her. Certainly Pakistan’s ties with the UK would come to question, but I doubt anything beyond diplomacy would come out of it.

Sure, let Vanguard fling off nukes well out of reach of Pakistan reach,
they won’t have the means to fling-back on UK soil by 2020.
next vs thread ?

Don’t be too sure about that. Pakistan had nukes since 1989… what is not declared does not mean it doesn’t exist or is not in development.

On a separate note, I find this topic offensive. What is an “Islamist”?

If you mean a person who believes that Islam should be the guiding light for a Muslim state rather than secularism, then I am one too.

Viper, dont want to go offtopic so u can start another thread if u likeabout a jf17 v f16 comp.
A defence.pk poster, a former paf officer windjammer saw the f16a combat a limited production jf17 and judged them viperabout even. Note this was before the jf17 was serially produced and before its tactics were nailed. More recently there is a rumour that the jf17 beat the f16 in the recent high mark exercise.

You’re entitled to your opinion AoA, but to compare the JF-17 and call it an F-5 kind of makes me wonder how impartial your views are, sorry to say…

The SH with HMD/HOBS and its sensor suite would be very effective. I would imagine hard to get past merge against it.

Yes, both the SH and the H don’t do well if we consider the traditional WVR fight, but in today’s terms the SH is a potent weapon. Remember, the comparison is against the baseline Su-27 not the Su-35.

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Viper, that’s a beautiful golden F/A-18. Don’t know why it reminded me of the MiG-35.

I think there would be quite a difference in facing the hornet or superhornet.

The JF-17 has superior sustained turn rates, which is obvious from the general planeform and angle of incidence. I think managing your energy will be a lot easier on the JF-17.

However, the Superhornet has a powerful AESA and potentially more powerful jamming equipment so the BVR advantage goes to the SH.

The JF-17 would generally outclass the older hornet.

Interestingly, the YF-17 and JF-17 have very similar looks, size and approximate performances. Even more interesting, there was a Pakistani engineer I once met who worked on developing the Hornet then later came back to Pakistan and was working on some black project in the early 2000s.

Combat radius of JF-17: 1,352 km.
Combat radius F/A-18: 740 km.

The JF-17 clearly seems to take the best of the Hornet’s and the Viper’s aerodynamics.

PS: Another interesting bit – there was once a post by pshamim of pakdef that the JF-17 was being considered to complement the J-15 on the Chinese future carriers. Wonder if that was scrapped or if we may see the JF-17 in a similar role to the Hornet.

PPS: The radar of the JF-17 may (speculation) have a similar genetics to the F/A-18 radar set, may even be related (speculation).