Ja… I’ve got a bunch of close-ups I took of the one on a pole here… I’ll e-mail them to you.

I’ll get out there and get more of the A-6E too… just for you.

No upper shots… after all, its on a pole.

And for the rest of you… I know he posted that request 11 years ago, but he is still around.

Would be nice if you shared those pics with us too 🙂

Yes, Ja Worsley is missed, as is alfakilo. Its a shame they aren’t posting anymore.

PLA-MKII: I welcome your perspective and thoughts. I am an atheist, but, I have a keen interest in religion and its intersections with history, philosophy, culture, and so forth. I do not reject your assertion that there is a difference in worldview between the West and Islam, however I feel that in making your point you are at risk of overemphasising the universalist aspects of Islam (e.g. philosophy, mysticism,) at the expense of its more worldly (e.g. historical and cultural) manifestations. I also think you are oversimplifying the western philosophical tradition. Incidentally, I am curious as to where you would place Orthodox Christianity in relation to the West and Islam?

Hi Rii, will reply to you in PM so as not to take this thread any further off-course.

I have yet to see any religion which provides hard, justifiable and reasonable evidence on anything.

Hi MSphere, I’ll PM you and if you’re so inclined and interested enough I’d be happy to oblige. Searching for the truth is not a one email affair though. Islam is different from other religions in this respect. I fear I have gone way off topic on this thread to continue further here.

its to point out the irony of PLA-MKII’s avatar

To be fair, there is some irony in there. However, everything as it appears at first glance may have underlying meanings and currents that eve you, Sir Bacon, may not be able to grasp initially. Let me see if I can elucidate here in short form what I mean.

Now, my grandfather was among the founders of what is today Pakistan, he was the joint secretary of the All India Muslim League. When the movement that is today Pakistan was headquartered in Calcutta in a place the size of half a 7-11 store, the first person you’d meet if you entered it would be my grandfather.

Ironic would be that how things deteriorated such that my father fought against Pakistan, and was captured and tortured by them. What the Pakistan Army did in what is today Bangladesh was very shameful, without doubt, and I can relate many horror stories, unspeakable in civilized discourse. Even the mention of some of these got me banned from Pakdef, so one can see that the attitude of the secular Pakistanis has not changed at all. They would probably be headed to doing the same thing in Baluchistan but hopefully Imran Khan will bring an end to that madness, God Willing.

Yet to understand my mind you must understand that I belong to a different civilization than you, and thus to a very different worldview or “weltanschauung” as the Germans pithily coined it. In your worldview, what matters is ethnicity and culture. Utilitarianism, maximizing your pleasure which includes your progeny and your legacy through them. People in your civilization typically identify themselves by their nationality, their ethnicity, their language, the color of their skin, or their eyes or hair. Whether that is openly done or hidden from view is another matter.

The Western worldview holds in essence to what can be described as the “worship of man”, where everything is centered on maximizing his “GDP”, his “pleasure” and that is the end all and be all, within certain limits.

In contrast, if the Western Civilization looks down at their feet and sees the earth and “Realism”, my civilization, the Islamic Civilization looks up at the stars. Instead of aesthetics and forms, of pleasure, our core lies in seeking truth and virtue, morality. Thus, to the question “Why am I here?” “Who am I?” “What evidence is their of God?” are not objects of blind belief to be relegated to the fringe of society, because the great philosophers of the West could not find definitive answers to these, but rather, its the opposite; Islam claims that it has hard, justifiable, reasonable evidence to the answers to those questions.

With that preamble, my worldview does not include in it nation states (a Western invention only about 300 or so years old). Islam says all men are equal and builds practices that apply to this. It rejects worship of anything, your race, your language, your culture over the worship of God, who wishes you to be brothers.

In this worldview there exists no Pakistan, no Bangladesh, no Afghanistan, no Saudi Arabia, no United States, no… Granted, my civilization is in shambles and potentially in terminal decline. But people who love God and Islam, their job then becomes to protect that civilization as best they can, God Willing. Whether that involves fighting and dying for the people that tortured my father, becomes irrelevant. Because we are so certain of the Hereafter that such “pettiness” to us, does not amount in our calculations. As to what I do to help Pakistan and why Pakistan is so important to the Muslim world, that’s a story for another occasion.

As for why my nick here says “PLA-MKII”, it has nothing to do with love of the Chinese. When you were younger, a veritable young “F-18 Hamburger”, way back in the early 2000s, I used to be a silent observer. At that time, there used to be another poster by the name of PLA (he now posts in Pakdef as Munir). He got banned unfairly, so I decided to stop being a silent spectator and join as “PLA-MKII”.

Hopefully with that you can stop sniping at me for a while at least. Is that too much to ask? 😛

Sanem, have followed your work for quite a while. I see two main problems that I would love to hear an answer for:

1. Problems of maintaining communication with a UAV in supersonic speeds.
2. The kinematic performance of a missile launched from a slow carrier is significantly less than that launched from something faster and higher.
3. Combined, I think this is the main bottleneck for UAVs.

The best way forward perhaps (and I don’t know if it solves the communication problem) is to go for twin seater manned planes supported by UCAVs. There was a rumor by PShamim of Pakdef that PAF may be headed exactly there with the block III of the JF-17… twin-seater UCAV control (or as best I gleaned from what he wrote)

Ok there’s a lot we don’t know about these two seeming as how they are prototypes.
however there’s a lot we can predict based on available information made on:

1. what its designed for/intended use
2. examining needs of that country’s air force
3. things being developed for it
4. basic airframe characteristics.

the two aircraft chose some very different designs and it would be interesting to see where these designs strengths lay.

The part in bold would be more interesting to me. I am partial to the PAKFA’s aerodynamics. Just seems less draggy but eye-gauging can be disasterous for a commoner like myself.

Be that as it may, if we keep engine thrusts for both planes constant:

I think the PAKFA has better aerodynamics while the J-20 is obviously more stealthy. That is probably a conscious tradeoff by each respective nation.

Documented on web hearsay, so basically you confirmed his statement. Seriously some of this over correcting around here gets tedious to read.

The fellow lives in his own little world and begins to insult anyone who disagrees. The link he shares doesn’t support his tall claims.

But gentlemen, lets not derail this thread further. We are admiring F-11s. More pics and less discussion of other topics would surely do us good.

No no no, not in here, that ugly reptile belongs in its own thread (apologies to all those who love it)

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