@ PLA 😀 IAF may not want to stretch anything past 2015. The current government may be out of power by then and a new government backed by an anti American left will end the F 35 dream.
I guess you may be right 😉
I would hazard a guess that the J-15 is structurally different from the Su-33 in a similar manner to how the later J-11s are structurally different to the Su-27s…
The Chinese structures are apparently slightly lighter and use more (and more diverse) composites (I recall reading this quite some time ago)…
This means a whole new range of tests, etc… and supports what i.e. is saying here.
Reverse engineering a rubber duck is not the same as reverse engineering a fighter plane, and this isn’t strictly and purely reverse engineering but a whole lot of “how can we do it better” put into the mix…
Not a bad idea,
The originally A-5 had alot of constraints.
….
Helos are notoriously maintainence night mare.
may not be a bad idea to rivive a rugged simple fixed wing aircraft which takes over your cas duties.
so, yeah, it is a good idea.
Pakistan has retired A-5s that are no use to the PAF for strike any more and it has an entire maintenance depot that can run these. Even brand new ones are only $5 million and a simpler CAS one may be even cheaper… Compared to an attack helo, and their rough field capabilities, it seems a good alternative, although IF you can afford Su-25s (and have a relationship with Russia) those would be better (similarly, A-10s)
Sorry PLA-MKII, but your proposed CAS variant of the antiquated A-5/Q-5 comes nowhere near the Su-25 Frogfoot in neither staying power (endurance/loitering time), firepower or survivability.
The Su-25, like the Fairchild A-10A was designed specificity for this mission.At the end of the day, I’m very very surprised that the PLAAF have not already purchased (or copied ) the Su-25!!
Regards
Pioneer
How would you compare it to the capabilities of an attack helo in the same role? China does not have the Su-25 or anything similar, this is all they got (and all for sale, even if we imagine a super secret CAS plane that is even more secret than the J-20)
Below is the picture of a harrier for comparison:

Although two very different aircraft, for a specific view of a CAS role, here is a comparison of performance of the Harrier and th A-5C:
Harrier:
Length: 46 ft 4 in (14.12 m)
Wingspan: 30 ft 4 in (9.25 m)
Height: 11 ft 8 in (3.56 m)
Wing area: 343 ft² (22.6 m²)
Empty weight: 12,500 lb (5,700 kg)
Loaded weight: 15,703 lb (7,123 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 18,950 lb VTO, 31,000 lb STO[18] (8,595 kg VTO, 14,061 kg STO)
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Pegasus Mk. 105 vectored thrust turbofan, 21,750 lb (96.7 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: 662 mph (1,065 km/h)
Combat radius: 300 nmi (556 km)
Ferry range: 2,015 mi ()
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of climb: 14,715 ft/min (74.8 m/s)
A-5 (old, without the mods proposed earlier)
Wingspan: 9.68 m (31 ft 9 in)
Height: 4.33 m (14 ft 3 in)
Wing area: 27.95 m² (300.9 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,375 kg (14,050 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,486 kg (20,910 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 11,830 kg (26,080 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Liming Wopen-6A turbojets
Dry thrust: 29.42 kN (6,614 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 36.78 kN (8,267 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.12 [14][15] (653 knots, 752 mph)
Range: 2,000 km (1,100 NM, 1,200 mi (1,900 km))
Combat radius:
On lo-lo-lo mission: 400 km (220 NM, 250 mi) with maximum payload
On hi-lo-hi mission: 600 km (320 NM, 370 mi (600 km))
Service ceiling: 16,500 m (54,133.9 ft)
Rate of climb: 103 m/s (20,300 ft/min)
Wing loading: 423.3 kg/m² (86.7 lb/ft²)
this is great news for the JSF, perhaps India will go for those… should get there by about 2020, but what’s in a little wait? 🙂
I just don’t believe in large formations with the lethality of today’s weapons,
thus i see no use of busting said formations.
Hide & seek, Shoot & scoot is the name of the game, imposed by ever more lethal munition
large formations on the ground not in the sky : )
hmmm…
Its for CAS and to be deployed by say, the Pakistan Army Aviation with large armored formations in big plains and deserts against large(er) Indian formations…
in comparison with attack helicopters and not in comparison with strike aircraft…
How about just buying more LCA. Since India has waited so long, it wouldn’t hurt to wait just a little longer and get a multi-role version of the LCA… with AESA radar and what not.
cool, this is big – having that rewrite ability will mean Turkey can really customize its F-16s. Wonder if this can be done for the PAF through Turkey…
@hotdog, the rear view from this little birdie isn’t exactly awesome is it ?
Ha ha. Very pithily put “little birdie” just about sums it up nicely without creating too much antagonism. I am supposed to be a silent observer so will go back to my routine.
Now imagine that the 4th gen side also has awacs and ground based radars. With multiple emissions from multiple directions it is the F-22 that has to think before entering enemy territory. low freq radars providing general locations and higher frequency radars / fighters / other sensors zooming in.
The SD-10B model already has ARM built in, I guess the next step may be IR.
I proposed a few years ago on this forum that fighters should get small AAMs that can shoot down AMRAAMs and more practically the open mouthed next gen air breathing bvrs like the meteor. It would be interesting if such a course is followed.
Okay, now that the double-standard Japanese-Briton and the Indian troll has taken a rest, I just want to intervene and say that the lines on this flat-top are the most beautiful of all carriers operational. Would you agree? The curving ski-jump just makes it so much more beautiful, and she seems to be in way better shape than the Kuznet.
My timeline as to when it will become fully operational:
2014
I am a bit sad that it has FLANKERS on it, I am hoping the PLAN will come up with a smaller plane that is more STOL, so more can fit in, and it is more efficient.
All the Americans and their allies here forget that Pakistan is the main route to Afghanistan. If they want their main supply routes and main air passage cut off, sure stop all monetary inflows there.
You’re not giving anything away for free, you’re diplomatically buying a land and air route to your crazy Crusader fire-bases in Afghanistan.
The people of Pakistan would like nothing better than to have none of your money and none of your people / trucks / cargo / aircraft anywhere near Pakistan. If you lose your corrupt elite friends in Pakistan, we’ll be going after drone attacks with our own air strikes and cruise missiles. Think about it. Think about what would happen when we start handing SAMs to the taliban.
These particular ones would work great and are manufactured in Pakistan:

Couple that with ATGMs and a healthy supply of SBRLs and mortars, and we’ll see how well you sleep or by what route you escape.
To sum up, feel free to stop your “aid” anytime you like.
Hi F-14!
Well I see things rather differently than you, The whole political domino effect that scared the US leaders in the 60s has proven itself to bel rubbish… For instance the communists HAD to take over in Vietnam in order for their leaders and people to see that system just does not work… If the US had stayed in Vietnam into the 80s it would probably have acheived little more than to drag this conflict in the same manner as the one in Afghanistan is doing. As long as the war was on against the “imperialist hordes” all government shortcomings could easily be placed on the Western shoulders.
Now look at VietNam, it is following China’s example and opening up the economy to local and foreign ownership. The same can be said about the Taliban. After Western armies move out how long would it take for them to run down the Afghan economy into the ground? And then, who would they blame for it?
On the poppy fields issue, if I recall correctly during their reign the Taleban they actually destroyed local opium production only to see it reinstated in full after the US led troops kicked them from power in Afghanistan… Which is quite the exact opposite from what you state.
Finally, Thailand has a hand full of Swedish built Gripens, certainly not Flankers and the Phillipines has n o t h i n g at all, lest Fulcrums…
Maybe you were actually refering to Indonesia and Malaysia but to claim they both bought Russin aircraft out of of some sort of “Neo-marxist alignment” with Moscow is way beyond the reasonable, don’t you agree?
Regards,
Hammer
My guess is F-14 was being sarcastic..
Does Embraer’s decision make more sense to you now? 😉
Regards,
Hammer
Super sense, glad some people in S. America have their hearts and heads in the right place. There is a buzz on the forums that Pakistan may be interested. Hope that materializes.
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I think this is the first real industrial cooperation among the global South after the Pakistan-China JF-17 cooperative program. This is exactly the way to go forward as opposed to buying multi-billion dollar weapons from Old Europe or the Fascists north of your country. I’m very happy for Brazil and this news has really made my day.
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