Yeah, I made it. And, sure, you can use it. 🙂

Thanks Robban!

Nice images of the MiG-33 Quantam-fx. I think that the look however is the most generic jet fighter aircraft look. Between, what is this? PS: My first impression: a JF-17 and a J-20 having a baby.

A size comparison…

beautiful! did you do that? Can I use it?

yes it certainly will affect future considerations of US Military aviation equipment, but more interesting to see how it will affect current stream of spares and support.

although these concerns could be rectified if PAF and US fully cooperated on fighting Al-Qaeda don’t you think? or is there some kind of other interest for Pakistan to do other wise.

At the risk of going off-topic, Al-Qaeda is a dead force at this point, as has been admitted even by the US. On the other hand, the Taliban, particularly the Haqqani group which has some support supposedly in North Waziristan is another issue, one where both sides don’t see eye to eye.

One of the issues at hand is the operation of American personnel, often spying all over Pakistan such as Raymond Davis. Pakistan also does not take kindly to trampling its sovereignty. It seems to some that the US is playing a double game. I’ll leave it at that as I do not wish to divert the thread.

I think that the situation has not as yet reached the position where spare parts would be stopped. Although they may prove to be expensive and delay tactics may be played. The birds in Turkey I would assume are considered safe as they can be returned. Even if some of them do not get the MLU (which is again not an issue AS YET) they would still be returned to Pakistan by Turkey. Further, to not supply the parts for the MLU would be a breach of contract.

One more factor is t he MLU is being carried out in Turkey. PAF mitigated against this risk and was fain to send the F-16s to the US. Good call.

this, i answer your question with my question which was the original question

It is not yet clear how this will impact the PAF. I think that this effectively ends all future purchases. However, not sure if this also means that in the near future supply of spare parts will become an issue. This will depend on Pakistan’s reaction i.e. if they will block exit routes and supply chain.

You can’t pass off paranoia, conspiracy theories, laughable propositions and downright lies…and then be taken seriously. Besides, it seems most of your “analysis” has been derived by simply lurking in PakDef Dumb and Blind. Do you seriously believe the Chinese will compromise their own security for the sake of Pakistan…of all countries?!

What are your sources of the J-10B production being “prioritised” for the PAF at the expense of the PLAAF? What’s your source for the next batch of 50 JF-17s being “gifted” to the PAF being the rumoured Block-2 aircraft with supposedly stealth features and an AESA? And you can’t use posters on PakDef such as ‘Munir’ as being the most reliable, honest and truthful of sources.

I think you have a very negative and unproductive attitude and response, unworthy of this forum. It is sad that a Pakistani has to come here and display such behavior, most Pakistanis are far more gentlemanly.

Since I’m a clod to you and you appear to be in the know about what is right and what is false, why do you not share with us your background and who you are? What have you got to show for in this field? From the kind of language you are using, you sound like a certain “Buraq” on another forum. Would you clarify if you are the same individual?

This reminds me of the time you claimed I was a teenager on a claim you were caught red handed not having even read what I had written. Incidentally, serving PAF officers responded rather positively on the same paper on that occasion.

You seem to take a jab at me at every chance you get. There is a saying by a famous Muslim intellectual visiting the West, that he saw Islam there but no Muslims, and that in our world we have Muslims everywhere but no Islam. If you want to learn how to write a constructive criticism rather than the typical, perhaps this link will help you see what could have been written instead: http://computers.amrel.com/media-room/news-articles/ucavs-vs-5th-generation-jet-fighters

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I think that if in fact J-10Bs are prioritized for the PAF, it would be a first for a major power to do so, vis-a-vis an ally. And this extends to the Qing class and 054 FFGs. Or am I wrong? Are there any similar examples in history?

Yes, I understand, but the question some top brass asks is: What kind of tech transfer can we get for some ~100+ planes? Can they justify a large percentage of local production and spares assembly?

I think you’d be able to get most things you’d want. Tech transfer is buyer dependent because of the obviously large list of components. Local employment, manufacturing know-how and being able to produce some basic spares are some solid gains.

Furthermore, you could get off-set purchases, something unlikely with an F-16 purchase. Argentina should also be able to buy 110+ planes, something unlikely given the price of other options and the type of budgeting you’ve mentioned.

AESA radars, cruise missiles (Ra’ad), BVR capability, all come nicely along. The JF-17 is built from the beginning is a plug and play design and should be easy to integrate whatever weapons you need. You will not need British approval for purchasing standoff munitions of that class. Moreover, many of PAF’s western weapons will already have been integrated and tested. Not to mention some Brazilian ones too including ARMs.

Another point is the very low cost of maintenance and training. While maintenance costs of F-16s are less compared to those say of the Mirage-2000, the infrastructure costs and the level of sophistication and resultant training is significantly high. The JF-17s are built with some similarity to the easy of maintenance of the F/A-18s. So you can have more teeth and less tail.

There is also a naval JF-17 Block II in development and this can complement the requirements of both the Argentine and Pakistan navies (mainly looking at corrosion issues and the use of naval weapons).

A problem we had on the past, and hopefully won’t have in the future.

Planning for defense IMHO needs to go beyond hopes, particularly when concrete alternatives are available. The PAF has found the JF-17s to be favorably comparable to the F-16s and are “90%” of the latter. I think Argentina should at least look at the new block II JF-17s before making a decision, particularly if it is to end up with old Mirage-2000s.

An American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics roundup of possible future UCAV developments in the subcontinent.

As a result, the Pakistani government is
pushing industry to develop a UCAV capable
of reducing any new advantage India
may gain in the realm of air combat. Indeed,
some in Pakistan seem convinced
any future sixth-generation fighter will be a
stealth UCAV, such as Boeing already has
proposed to the USAF. But rather than rely
on foreign suppliers, Pakistan wants to develop
its own capabilities, not just for
UCAVs, but also all other levels of UAVs.

http://www.aerospaceamerica.org/Documents/March%202011%20AA%20PDFs/Feature_Roundup2011_Mar11.pdf

Includes a picture of Jasoos (Pakistan) and Rustum (India).