Buitreaux thanks for the answers. What kind of military hardware does Argentina produce? Do you think there is something that could be of interest to others such as Pakistan, South Africa, Brazil or other similar countries?

Maybe the air force wants western planes but perhaps politicians could be convinced to buy something else if the deal was sweet enough, particularly in this global environment.

Some other possible options for Argentina:

1. JF-17
2. Su-35
3. J-10
4. Korean T-50
5. Old F-16s
6. Super Tucanos/ ALX
8. Pakistan’s rebuilt Mirages
9. A joint venture with Brazil / Turkey / Korea / Japan

Given my biases, if I were an Argentinian air force guy, I imagine I’d want the JF-17 block IIs.

^^Long retired unless you count the A-5s, some of which are still in service and being retired with the JF-17.

Welcome to the forum!

I think its down to pilot training and the quality of pilots you have. Particularly, its not the machine, but the man behind the machine.

I find it most interesting that PAF and Israeli pilots fly in a similar manner and that the NATO countries fly in a somewhat different doctrine. I wonder if it has something to do with the common East European traditions of the two air arms.

I don’t see Hui tong mentioning anythng about AESA radars on JF-17 other than the European Vixen being considered?
http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

I was talking about the J-10s. Some people in this forum (still) believe that the J-10Bs have PESA radars.

Yep 3:0 was a kind of news given the big hype of EF-2000 as second best to only F-22, but then again PAF trains in WVR extensively as its BVR capability and training is just starting while that might not be the case with EF-2000 pilots.

So far all we know far sure is that there is order for batch II with advance avionics and rest is rumors yet to be confirmed including news that ASEA and Block II is what PAF going to receive in batch II.

While i will like ASEA and Block II design to be part of batch II thunders, i feel that if it happens it will be a kind of a shocker as we have yet to see the picture of Block II and even J-10B is using (though some call it AESA radar) PESA radar.

I am waiting for ZDK-03 to appear in PAF colors later this year.

Two JF-17s and F-16s are in Turkey for to participating in the 100th Anniversary of Turkish Air Force and Izmir Air Show.

Sallam, sounds good all except the bit about the PESA radar. Many aviation experts including Hui Tong is not convinced of that. Last time I checked (a day or 2 ago) his site still reads AESA radar.

Much of what is discussed is speculation, and not everything we talk about is provable. But that has always been the case with weapons of this nature. Consider how long the J-10 was invisible to the world but was already in squadron service and you see the futility of waiting for official, hard, verifiable “facts” with accompanying pictures.

Regarding the June edition on JF-17…alot of stuff we more or less know, but the paper takes you into great details into the history of jf-17 and PAC Kamra. Its a great reference materials if you are digging up details.

Did mention PAF F-16s showed those Eurofighters how WVR combat is done at Anatolian Eagle..now that was one interesting bit of info. :diablo:

Thanks for the update and the info!

Yes, that was interesting: 3:0 against tiffys

PS: I think the block IIs are going to be a step up in avionics compared to the bock 52s. With an AESA radar to boot. Looks like the J-20 and J-10B have had a cascading effect.

Look to me like the kill switch is more political right now…

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/****-m18.shtml

I think the PAF pilot who recently gave the interview clearly indicated PAF considers the F-16s to be possibly bugged and TuAF has found such bugs previously (and Turkey is a NATO ally). Why it would be ridiculous to say the same is beyond my understanding.

Here are some of my thoughts on this:http://www.grandestrategy.com/2010/12/are-kill-switches-on-pakistani-f-16s.html

Brother Munir believes that the F-16 can be compromised using its satellite receiver. This is located on the spine of the aircraft. Any party that controls the GPS transmission can scramble anything it wants into the aircraft’s receiver. This can simple be a passive activation of a hidden trigger. He notes that this has implications not only for the aircraft, but also for the air force. He gives the example of Israel’s attack on the Syrian supposed nuclear site. Brother Munir wonders allowed what could happen if the Indians receive such EW devices which could not only impact the F-16s, but could impact the entire C4I through these Trojan horses.

More so, remember that the source codes are all available to the US and these are weapons they have built. You want to fight NATO with US weapons? Really?

As for the JF-17, they are more than capable of defending Pakistani airspace. Those pooh-poohing Pakistan should note the number of aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and more available to her. The number of airbases. and then look at the small number of NATO / US bases in Afghanistan and look to were its supply lines come through (no, not through Iran).

One will perhaps do even better if they consider that China and Pakistan have a defense treaty and are bound by treaty to come to each other’s aid in case of being attacked.

Edit: In addition, it may be interesting to note that in the recent parliament discussions in Pakistan, the possibility of a confrontation was in all seriousness discussed.