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  • in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2338541
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    Let me guess, the mythical remote ‘kill switches’ in the F-16s right? :rolleyes:

    Let me guess, you have nothing constructive to say, and don’t like people whose opinions differ. Get a life and get off my case. I’m simply going to put you on my ignore list.

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    On a better note, here are some updates I put together on the JF-17 Block II and the FC-20, credit specially due to Eagle Hannan of Pakdef.
    http://www.grandestrategy.com/2011/05/jf-17-block-ii-final-thunder-fc-20.html

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2339577
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    This could be just routine news being sensationalized or it could also indicate a sense of urgency on the part of the PAF to get assets usable against the US / NATO, in case of a future confrontation. (F-16s won’t work against them)

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2346006
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    whats the likelihood that the MAR-1 will end up in Chinese hands?
    similar to F-16 exports to the PAF?

    I think its possible, particularly if this deal involves TOT, which it most probably does.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2346839
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    I do not think that an India-Pakistan scenario will require a saturation of Indian defenses in the manner the US typically does. Such wars will be border affairs. As for numbers, we do not know how many were bought for sure, and it is most likely transfer of technology was involved, thus in-house production for Pakistan, similar to the 550s for the Mirages.

    As for the MAA-1s, this seems an interim solution, possibly for Mirage use and Pakistan is definitely looking at A-darder or Bs at the least.

    As for Pakistan’s radars not working, I may point out that many of her radars in that sector are of US origin and I have been warning of possible backdoors in US equipment for a very long time now. Anyways, I’ve said enough on that to give that topic a rest.

    in reply to: Importance of AWACS / Tankers / EW Platforms #2356907
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    Why don’t you put up the actual numbers instead of %?

    RuAF got 16 AWACS, not all operational at the moment.

    Tankers: totaly 19 Il-78. Not sure if all have been upgradet to latest Midas standard. Now like 6-10 operational i think.

    EW, well.. Not sure if VVS got any 100% dedicated EW aircraft in the inventory today.
    The Su-34(aka growler) would be the best VVS EW units me thinks, if equiped with EW pods.

    Perhaps some Flankers, equiped with a EW suite too.
    Strange that there is none Tu-22M4 variants with a good EW configuration.. only in recon(MR) config.

    That’s a good suggestion. Here is what a friend writes:

    About the awacs, the advatage is huge. Losing one or two fightersquadrons for just one awacs is a fair trade. Refuellers are different. On short term you can use your assets more efficient. Pretty much double cap, range or ordnance. So trading that for percentages? I think it is better to write down what the added value in planes is.

    Okay, so if I follow this line of thinking and have:

    1. The base value of effectiveness for an F-16 block 52 = 0.95. Two fighter squadrons are equal to about 36 planes. 36×0.95= 34.2

    2. Price of F-16 (more or less) USD 55 million. Price of Erieye USD 220 million
    220/55 = 4 So the market price may not be reflecting the value judged from a military standpoint. Perhaps because of the restriction of this technology.

    3. How do I work into this doubling cap, ordnance and range for a tanker?

    4. What would the consensus be on how effective particular electronic warfare assets are?
    How much value in your opinion would you put for an AWACs vis-a-vis a value of “0.95” for an F-16 block 50/52?
    Similarly, for tanker and for EW asset?

    But then,

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2356908
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    Note that he mentions technology gap, not capacility gap.
    My airforce could have three highly sophisticated jets with one refueller and technology-wise it would be on par with your seven squadrons of similar jets backed by a fleet of refuellers. But I still would have zero chance to inflict any meaningful damage in case of a conflict.

    Yes that’s true but then the larger air force may not have planes operational, they may have a problem with getting pilots and may have older and harder to maintain planes. In effect they may actually only have a dozen.

    Would really appreciate your input on the AWACs / Tanker / EW thread.

    in reply to: Importance of AWACS / Tankers / EW Platforms #2357090
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    djcross, do you suggest I lower the numbers for EW across the board?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2357131
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    in reply to: Importance of AWACS / Tankers / EW Platforms #2357346
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    I must admit I haven’t considered the various naval arms.

    in reply to: Importance of AWACS / Tankers / EW Platforms #2357390
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    haavarla: I think its fair to say that Russia has a vast territory and its AWACs and tankers are limited. On the other hand, even with limited tankers, each tanker has a big impact on the capability of Russia’s fighter fleet. The numbers are looking to see by how much their present capability is multiplied because of these said assets. I’m still reducing the impact for Russia of these assets given the point you raised.

    Perhaps some other salients to consider are:

    1. Military strategy and posture (i.e. US posture as opposed to Brazil’s)
    2. Area to be covered (vast for Russia, small for Israel)
    3. Combat aircraft per respective assets

    I’ll work on the last to present to this august audience the ratios for each country to help you advise me better on the numbers.

    These numbers are ad hoc, preliminary numbers. Feel free to state what numbers you think they should be and why.

    REVISED NUMBERS:

    How about if we now move from greater generalization to narrower generalization:
    AWACS Tanker EW
    USA 60% 20% 10%
    Russia 30% 20% 5%
    China 50% 20% 5%
    Japan 30% 20% 10%
    Pakistan 30% 10% 5%
    India 35% 20% 5%
    Israel 30% 15% 20%
    UK 30% 15% 10%
    France 30% 10% 10%
    Brazil 40% 30% 5%
    Sweden 35% 30% 10%

    Notes:

    1. Percentages represent the increase in capability because of AWACS, Tankers or EW assets of the entire force of fighters.
    2. The capability increased is dependent on:
    a) Technology available to each respective country
    b) Quantities available of each respective asset class
    c) Ground radar coverage
    d) Terrain, topography and size of areas to be covered by respective air arms
    e) Nature and capability of present fighter fleets
    f) Training and tactics employed
    g) Nature, extent and scope of international military engagements

    These are just “out of the hat” sort of numbers right now. Are these numbers too low or high? Increasing by 100% seems just too high to me. That means for instance that two forces, one with awacs and one without are equal if the latter is twice the size of the former. i.e. 500 combat aircraft versus 250.

    BLAURMAX: Your link doesn’t work for me.

    in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 5 #2357950
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    I vote for Black (or blackish Greenish) Swan

    in reply to: Importance of AWACS / Tankers / EW Platforms #2357953
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    How about if we now move from greater generalization to narrower generalization:
    AWACS Tanker EW
    USA 60% 20% 10%
    Russia 40% 20% 5%
    China 50% 20% 5%
    Japan 30% 20% 10%
    Pakistan 30% 10% 5%
    India 35% 20% 5%
    Israel 30% 15% 20%
    UK 30% 15% 10%
    France 30% 10% 10%
    Brazil 40% 30% 5%
    Sweden 35% 30% 10%

    Notes:

    1. Percentages represent the increase in capability because of AWACS, Tankers or EW assets of the entire force of fighters.
    2. The capability increased is dependent on:
    a) Technology available to each respective country
    b) Quantities available of each respective asset class
    c) Ground radar coverage
    d) Terrain, topography and size of areas to be covered by respective air arms
    e) Nature and capability of present fighter fleets
    f) Training and tactics employed
    g) Nature, extent and scope of international military engagements

    These are just “out of the hat” sort of numbers right now. Are these numbers too low or high? Increasing by 100% seems just too high to me. That means for instance that two forces, one with awacs and one without are equal if the latter is twice the size of the former. i.e. 500 combat aircraft versus 250.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2358942
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    Could you reference that? I have never heard that the A-5s are designed for strategic strike. They are a slow, short legged, less survivable plane known to be used for CAS, originally purchased to counter the Russian armored formations threatening Pakistan’s Western borders. But then I could be wrong.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2359610
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    yes could be likely!
    certainly the J-10 is a superior aircraft to the PAF JF-17, but the JF-17 offers as much as 90% of the J-10’s capability for a fraction of the price! its better for Pakistan to blow its money on an aircraft that offers something substantially different. yup yup.

    Yes, and further, some of the benefits that the J-10B brings (like AESA, avionics and stealth updates) can be incorporated into the JF-17.

    in reply to: Turkish Air Force – News & Discussion #2360563
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    Enjoy them…

    Those look like K-8s with the red smoke, PAF aerobatic team?

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