I know its not possible but I’d have rather liked a Sea Eurofighter or perhaps the said aircaft with the name “Seacat”. Now that would be lovely. Put some stealth paint on it and an AESA radar and call it a 5th generation plane. Who cares really, as long as its beautiful it can keep the enemies in awe.
Yes, especially Indian birds are a wonderful example of multi-national cooperation among Russian, India, Israel and France. That is the best way to cope with technological advantage USA still enjoy today. I think, such isolationist policy of the States won’t pay off on long term..
Good point. Its high time for a truly international project not a skunk like the JSF. Perhaps the LCA block II could be one. better yet would be bring all the countries together – Germany, France, Italy, Britain, Sweden, Canada, Japan, South Korea, India, Australia, South Africa, Ukraine, Brazil, even Israel and Taiwan and build one single fighter. It will take tremendeous cooperation and alignment but nothing in the market would be able to beat such a plane simply on the basis of economies of scale and scope.
I could see R&D spending on this project going out of sight.
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Sorry, somebody had to say it.
Well, if the US industry works on it you can count on that. The brits are more reasonable though.
Everyone but those who decided ๐
Dunno mate, I think it was politics. I’m certain even the fellows who sold their souls to the F-22 didn’t think so and surely felt guilty about it later. ๐
Okay how about a completely redone j-10 – with YF-23 like characteristics and vertical fins and F-35 like DSI intakes. With two internally carried SD-10s and two PL-8s. I think that would be more realistic. Didn’t China already develop its own brand of stealth coatings? A new angled AESA radar and viola! you have a 5th generation stealth plane. Let me go cook up one in the kitchen.
That is true but lets first admit that the YF-23 was a better design than the YF-22. I think everyone can agree to at least that.
Simple Maths folks $70b + $30B (0r $40B) = $100B (or 110B) thats what the gentleman said between $100B-$200B. “Not even close” is a worrying sign.
Not in their eyes unfortunately they can’t look reality straight in the eye. :rolleyes:
Isn’t that sweet. I love your attitude urmomma158, we need more of you out there to give us all a reality check with those airburst nukes. I go back on my last post, you should post more often and impart your wisdom to us. ๐
Again, let me reiterate: The reason I brought back this topic from the dead threads boneyard was to not compare it to anybody. What I want are pictures and updates of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
Why is it so hard for my indian friends here to think that an outsider would like the LCA? ๐ Surely, a great plane, one which is the “most compact” modern 21st century fighter with all the superb Indian gadgetry and representing the pinnacle of the indian IT industry deserves to be admired internationally. And these are interesting times – the LCA is about to enter the world stage and blow away the competition. Also, as Nic mentioned:
The avionics system of Tejas PV II provides excellent pilot vehicle interface in a glass cockpit which has an all-round panoramic view to reduce the pilotโs workload and to increase situational awareness
This is big. Sorry, big is an understatement, this is GIGANTIC news!!! ๐
Are you telling me I’m the only person excited about the new all-round panoramic view? With the stated low RCS not only because of the small size but also the use of composites, this baby will beat the F-22. After all, this baby has taken longer to develop than the F-22 and will come later than the F-22, making it better and having more of the latest IT outsourcing.
I have also got an exclusive pic of the new LCA (the one Nic mentioned with the panoramic view) and an inside scoop on the countries collaborating for its production (yes, thats right, they have till now been very secretive about it). But first, I need some more patriotism from my indian friends who seem to doubt me. Also, I need more constructive discussions here, stop talking about other countries, they don’t matter, it is the LCA that you should focus on my indian friends. What needs to be done is that more money, time and effort needs to be placed on the LCA and this cannot happen if the public, here represented by the forumites, losing heart.
On a side note, I’d like to request that we form a LCA lobby to inspire Indians to show their support for this program. India does not need the MRCA or anything else, just the LCA and MCA is more than enough. Reply back with good patriotic posts and I just might post that picture and information on the partners. ๐
Ohhh I can’t wait ! ๐
That sound very interesting ! Does that mean that there will be some airframe related modifications (“panoramic view and stealthy features” :confused: ) similar to the FC-1 04 prototype or are these for the final serial standard ???
By the way what’s the latest progress on the twin-stickers ??? When will the finally fly ??
Thanks in advance, Deino :rolleyes:
Yes, Deino the new panoramic view will be installed in the Latest version of the LCA. Our Indian friend Nick_76 has revealed this in his last post here and the evidence of the following article:
From Newindpress:
HAL to go into supersonic mode
Monday May 15 2006 00:00 IST
BANGALORE: Five years after the first indigenous developmental fighter took to the air after complaints of time and technology gaps, the defence PSU – Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) – has now decided to go into supersonic mode.
HAL chairman Ashok Baweja told this website’s newspaper that the fifth prototype vehicle, trainer and the first of the eight Limited Series Production (LSP) will join the programme this year. These aircraft will help accelerate the initial operational clearance for the LCA.
On Saturday, PV2, among a cluster of four jets built, turned supersonic with air-to-air missiles on board. Scientists of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) said it was a big leap forward in the project as the jet was now propelled into operational test light mode.
โโAs for the LCA project, it is a war-room like situation at HAL. I am getting daily inputs from officers on the progress made in the project,โโ the HAL chief said.
HAL has now taken up the challenge to complete the eight LSPs and 20 more aircraft within three years. The IAF will induct these delta-winged worldโs lightest fighter aircraft by 2010 to replace its ageing fleet of MiGs.
The PSUโs focus now is on stepping up the pressure on this strategically important project to ensure that there are no further delays. Three more aircraft, which will join the test flying envelope later this year, will increase the number of aircraft used for certification.
In all, four LCAs, two technology demonstrators and two prototypes had logged over 525 flights.
Not just HAL, but even the ADA has accelerated the programme to the next level by putting a radar on the aircraft and is taking up a weaponisation programme by fitting pylons on the PV2.
The PV2 is a much lighter aircraft and possesses advanced software technology, unlike the Test Demonstrator I, II and PV1. There is a quantum jump in the build standard of PV2, which is a software intensive fourth generation combat aircraft built to production standard. Besides having a high percentage of composite materials in its airframe structure, it incorporates a state-of-the-art, integrated, modular avionics system with open architecture concepts to facilitate easy hardware and software upgrades and re-usability.
The avionics system of Tejas PV II provides excellent pilot vehicle interface in a glass cockpit which has an all-round panoramic view to reduce the pilotโs workload and to increase situational awareness
PS: For those who want to inquire about my nationality its readily available in my past posts.
And its sad that my patriotism of the LCA is being questioned, with the new panoramic view and the stealthy features being incorporated (as revealed by my Indian friends in this forum), this is the next aircraft to gain widespread admiration, globally. ๐
PPS: for those who don’t know, PLA – Peoples Liberation army has been used by a very larg number of groups from Africa to latin America to if I recall, a group a few decades back in india. Granted, that the PLA term is most famously used by the chinese armed forces, it might be less wise to assume things outright. ๐
PPPS: I request again for some pics, in case none appear I will post my pic, that I can exclusively reveal to you from my sources, is the new LCA – Light Combat Aircraft. I will also reveal an industrial collaboration with a foreign country to turn the LCA into a new and improved airplane that cannot be rivalled by MiG-21 copies ๐
the front part looks a bit like a tomcat. beautiful beautiful beautiful.
Ah yes. One of my favorite documentary films of the cold war. :p
LOL Watch it buddy, you might get this blog shut down by giving away such highly sensitive information ๐
Flaming?
BTW, being “proud” of a plane to which a country’s contribution is little more than its new name is … how shall I put it…. ๐ฎ I had a friend who liked to give names to children he never fathered. Something like that. Some countries make planes, some try to make them and others “feel proud” to give them names without contributing even a coat of paint.
Now get to the topic or not post here.
My My, I’m on the topic, read my last post hon.
Dude that’s called Firefox. Clint Eastwood stole one from Bilyarsk in Russia ๐
LOL. how about that other movie I forget its name but this plane that can turn “invisible” and it crashes into the sea in the end.. Eddy Murphy is like a famous boxer.. making much sense?
urmomma158: I’m not an expert just another hack posting posts. If you’re so sure about stealth then just sit back and laugh at the fools who aren’t. Relax. ๐
IMHO the world is way too much focused on stealth. With the next generation of data linked radars and IRST, stealth is likely to be to a good degree compromised. Having said that, here is what I think the chinese should build:
1. Delta winged
2. Canards not only angle but also swing and blend into the wing
3. two WS-10A derivatives with less bypass ratio
4. Engine intakes on top and blending on the upper surface of the wing /fuselage area
5. Internal carriage of three SD-10s and two semi-external short range AAMs
6. The overall design and AOA of wings high focusing on less drag (thus inevitably less dogfight maneuverability) and more speed.
7. Large wing surface area to weight ratio
8. Thrust vectoring
9. Best IRST Possible
10. RAM type anti AMRAAM missiles ๐ (2-4 small and slender)
11. Small calibre gatling type guns mated to AESA radar (ammo needle like)
12. Semi-space suite for above 60,000 combat ceiling
13. Some beautiful chinese hot chick cum fighter pilot serving me some ice cool lemonade and telling me what a great military strategist I am while I nap under the wings of my dragon flanker.
14. A new age DSI where the bumps adjust themselves (protrude out or blend in) so that the 1.8 mach limit does not apply
15. Man machine interface using bionic and bio electric architecture
16. Cockpit having the pilot in a laid back position
17. Small rocket at the back (like the original mirages) to scoot when needed (at least a short distance to gain / not lose distance too fast on a AMRAAM). Something like a flanker sting
18. A large detachable back end that separates from the aircraft to form a replica of the radar signal of the aircraft.
19. More later.
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