PLA-MKIIreminds me so much of the Avro Arrow debacle and the years after that when many Canadians felt the US had taken them for a ride.
PLA-MKIIAgree with Sea Lord 😉 Unless you’re talking about WWII, I don’t think any country ever did that (Me-109 preprod batch flying in the Spanish War)
PLA-MKIIThats a fair question Vaiar (by and by are you from Valinor 🙂 I’m a lord of the rings fan myself). The MiG-21 derivatives are pretty good and nothing like the original MiG-21s. We have a rudimentary radar net and a very good (comparatively speaking) C4I system. For regular interception duties for a country our size 16 F-7Gs are pretty good. We are upgrading our radar network and that is very much on the ticket and we are also getting some FC-1s to supplement our force.
PLA-MKIII play the Guitar 🙂 and also am into playing bass.. used to be a lead singer in a band as well. Lets start an aviation band!
PLA-MKIII play the Guitar 🙂 and also am into playing bass.. used to be a lead singer in a band as well. Lets start an aviation band!
PLA-MKIIThere is no proof of that. Going by history, China almost NEVER export a downgraded version. I doubt the JF-17 can be downgraded much anyways. Unlike the US, China doesn’t have the luxury nor have they the tradition of ever doing this.
That said, the FC-1 is meant to be an open architecture (very few planes are built without a planned engine and radar from the very start) but whether Bangladesh or China gets the less capable version, only time will tell. For example, the PLAAF J-7E fleet was distinctly inferior to the J-7PG and only now is the J-7G reaching the PLAAF.
China tends to treat its friends as equals if not better.
That is absolutely so true. More interesting is the fact that the PAF is going for the “cheap” chinese radars which seem to be as capable as what the Europeans had to offer.. If we go for the same “cheap” version we’d still be quite okay. The JF-17 fits our requirements like a glove…
Ironically, somehow, some way, and by whatever means, they seem
to have an immunity to it. Thus, they can affort to trash whatever, whenever, and
wherever they please without the percievability of consequences…
Edisonone, its about the worse thing about this forum. Most of the Pakistanis left the channel because of that; they now reside at pakdef. Hopefully this is not a trend as far as the other members go, because everyone loses out in the end.
PLA-MKIIwhat utter rubbish ! :rolleyes: the IAF follows the Soviet doctrine and the BAF is Western oriented in its doctrine ?! 😀 You’re talkin bout the IAF which has been praised by USAF personnel who trained with it ? they specifically debunked the “IAF follows the soviet doctrine” theory that you’re talking about..the IAF uses its own tactics, its own operational doctrines. We’re big enough to do that. whereas the BAF needs to be trained in China or whereever…
lets take u on ur word..:D..so the BAF follows Western type independent fighter operations without the use of GCI with onboard-radars that have a range of less than 20 kms ? perfect for getting walloped by any half-decent fighter force..
and the MiG-29s suck as compared to the F-7Bs ? 😀 if you guys cant operate a decent fighter, dont go about maligning it..it would knock the stuffing out of the F-7s anyday !
There are too many indians writing trash here, a sad effect of the IT boom there but I’ll respond to this post before I give up on them. Starting from the PAF we have always had western tactics you should know that :rolleyes: being our neighbor that you are.. It is also widely known that india is only recently moving towards more of a western doctrine.
I never wrote anything about operating without GCI that is absolutely your crap coming out of you.. I won’t go into length but broadly (to make a dimwit understand it) western tactics mean greater autonomy for the pilot and a more decentralized game plan requiring higher pilot training..
and the MiG-29s suck as compared to the F-7Bs
The MiG-29s we have definitely suck as compared to not F-7Bs but J-7Gs.
if you guys cant operate a decent fighter, dont go about maligning it..it would knock the stuffing out of the F-7s anyday !
Look who’s talking about not being able to operate stuff – the most accident prone airforce with that can’t meet pilot recruitment goals and is infamous for “flying coffins”. Dream on buddy, no harm in that, but spew your trash elsewhere please, you indians are enough of a nuissance in the chinese threads as it is.
PLA-MKIIeverybody doesnt have to invent the wheel. The Rafael and EF fiasco proved that. This bill made all sense but not politics. Blair needs to keep the UK aligned with the US even if the JSF technology is not released.
PLA-MKIIHave it your way dude! You are expecting others to come in and clean up your mess for you!! I remember this type of logic used by “others” too! They kept waiting. Go on bud! Make our day!! :diablo:
Vick you might try putting my entire quote next time you quote and not post delete the bit that you dislike 🙂 let me put it back on for you
You Wrote: War sucks, dude. Let us be friends!
I wrote: yes war sucks and we do want to be friends but the noise you guys keep making (I recall an indian general going “we can take bangladesh in 1 day”) and the way you screw up trade relations, well, we have to be on our guard. We won’t be on our own if war did break out buddy.. but thats a silly discussion. lets just wait and see if and when war does break out
PLA-MKIIyou’d probably have to wait for the Lib-Dems to gain power for that.. or wait maybe Kenny will change labor from the inside..
PLA-MKIIBangladesh should save its money to buy nuclear bombs.
😀 good one
PLA-MKIIThe good that they serve is that we have J-7s in operation and F-5s are out of production last I heard 😉 with data linking them with the Fc-1s and the class of radars we are getting they are a great buy. Also if we bought F-5s would we be able to buy or fire AMRAAMS 😮 SD-10 integration would be relatively easy.
War sucks, dude. Let us be friends!
yes war sucks and we do want to be friends but the noise you guys keep making (I recall an indian general going “we can take bangladesh in 1 day”) and the way you screw up trade relations, well, we have to be on our guard. We won’t be on our own if war did break out buddy.. but thats a silly discussion. lets just wait and see if and when war does break out 🙂
let’s face it, any JF-17 that Bangladesh is going to get is one of those cheap, really downgraded versions, probably won’t have redunduncy in FBW and won’t have the all modern cockpit and will be restricted to a downgraded radar. That kind of JF-17 vs mig-29 would be a huge mismatch.
tphaung you can face what you want but logic suggests that a country that could a decade back afford MiG-29s would be able to afford FC-1s? :rolleyes:
PLA-MKIIJeez denlopviper, you’re giving away state secrets whats wrong with you? 🙂
PLA-MKIIThe fact that Iran hasn’t bought a big ticket item in some time does not mean that they won’t in the future. In fact, they do need to replace the F-14s and the way some Iranians on forums have been talking it sounds almost as if they already have something; rumours abound of J-8s, MiG-31s and Su27s but particularly of the MiG-31. The very fact that rumors exist means that there must be something there or soon to be. In other words either the Iranians have bought something quietly or that they are looking to buy something soon.
Perhaps they won’t be aircraft per se but components like radar, avionics and missiles. Again rumour exists that the Iranian fighters are fully data linked..
dont shoot me on the rumours 😀 but I do think where there is smoke there is.. a J-10 hiding in the bushes :diablo:
PLA-MKIIA sophisticated C4I system?? Like What?
Perhaps you don’t follow us too well, we bought a fairly sophisticated system from the Pakistanis the news was there on Janes as well if I recall.
Quite true. Especially the Western states. The US foremost among them, actually. They could better spend that money integrating their minorities so they don’t riot in South Central, London or the suburbs of Paris.
No one really threatens Western nations conventionally. It’s usually the other way around and has had been the case for the past 300 years or so.
Bangladesh is spending the minumum to defend its air space. Being poor doesn’t mean you need to leave your air space open to intrusion.
Agreed. We’ve had a GDP Growth rate of over 5% consistently for almost 2 decades and have consistently spent the smallest percentage on defence vis a vis our neighbors.
They need an airforce to protect against drug runners and the type. Bangladesh is surrounded by India on three sides and the Bay of Bengal on the fourth. Wont be much use against India will they?
The indians have spurned international water treaties and have constant clashes with us at the border. they also annexed a small part in the sundarbans area. Other than that, you’re wrong we also have Burma to consider and the fact that we host a good number of burmese refugees. Did I forget to mention india is building a contentious wall around our borders?
Once we have the JF-17s we’d pretty much be able to deny air superiority to the indians and remember in any clash you have to remember that Pakistan and China won’t be sleeping..
and also i fogot to add woudnt it be cheaper you guys got i think right now 9 mig 29s if you upgraded these to SMT thats a lot better and you guys got a better air to ground capbility with R-77 Rockets then R-73 with all new modern electronics.
we don’t like the MiG-29s they suck basically. Not useful for the kind of doctrine we have – western as opposed to soviet tactics the Indians are still growing out of. this means we want our pilots to get good air time and with a high maintenance item like the MiG-29 we can’t achieve that with our limited budget.
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