One of the aviation mags states that Spit IX PL344 will be coming back to the UK for some work by ARCo
Yes – perhaps Roobarb will even sort out the colour scheme once and for all – its been done twice since the second ‘re-build’ and is still completely wrong.
Yeah I’m quite curious about that it would appear he will be keeping some of his fleet on either side.
He already is, he has aircraft on both sides of the Atlantic. I would guess the 190 will be heading west as it would be (more than) a bit tricky to get it registered here in the UK.
We have now discovered that he flew a very famous Hurricane indeed….. V7467. No prizes for guessing who was the ‘owner’ of that one. Haviland flew it three times and was obviously very careful indeed to bring it back in one piece!
The analysis of the logbook over the period in question (late September ’40 to February/March ’41) produced interesting results: 79 Hurricane flights, 24 different Hurricanes, mainly only one or two flights a day but one exceptional day in October with five sorties. Strangely, out of the 24, only two of them were used by Haviland with any regularity (12 or 13 times each). All the others were two or three flights on each. There must have been quite a turnover of aircraft in the squadron.
I remember reading in one of last years FP’s an article on some of ARC’s Spitfires, and it mentioned talk of the possibility of the CAA introducing a category which allowed fare paying passengers to fly in Warbirds such as their TR.IX (PV202/IAC 161 whichever you prefer), as is the case with the Thunder City jets.ul
The CAA will allow the T.9 Spitfire for example to be used for conversion training as part of a defined training programe. They will effectivley give a temporary relaxation of the permit rules to allow such flights but this is something which the operator has to apply for and prove that the person under instruction fits the appropriate criteria. It is not to allow passenger flights but to allow the aircraft to be used for the purpose it was designed for.
So… was/is there an RAF equivalent of the USAF TO publications which shows the specific pattern to be applied to each type of aircraft? Would RAF painters stick to it religiously? And if not, would you expect all the aircraft at the same unit at the same time to be painted the same way?
Camouflage schemes for specific aircraft were usually produced by the aircraft manufacturer based on general military requirments. The manufacturer would produce a drawing with quite specific measurements for the camouflage lines. There is a lot of debate about this subject but if you use say the Spitfire as an example the Supermarine drawings are quite definite about the camou pattern and where each wavy line starts and ends, the drawings are very precisely dimentioned. By and large these drawings were followed in the factory and produced a surprising level of uniformity. If you look at photos of Spitfires lined up on the Castle Bromwich apron they are all basically the same and conform quite closely to the standard design. Now having said that there are many examples of where uniformity was lost and camou patterns looked nothing like the standard design. Desert operated Spitfire V’s had quite different camouflage lines and there are many other examples of ‘strange’ schemes to be found. However, by and large, these schemes were applied to a standardised design and were not just sprayed on however the painter felt on any particular day. Although I am no authority on the Meteor I am sure you will find that Glosters produced painting drawings showing the fighter camouflage and roundel setting out. It is possible that they were altered for some reason in the field but I would expect a good degree of uniformity if I was looking at a group of similar aircraft in the same squadron at the same time. Hope this helps.
If the former, I would disagree. Apart from not looking through an armoured windscreen, what is the difference?
I agree – if you have the opportunity to actually fly the aircraft for more than a minute or so it makes all the difference. If you get to do some aerobatics then all the better. This is the difference between flying a trainer Spitfire with full dual controls and just being ‘along for the ride’ say in a Mustang jump seat. Not that I would ever refuse either 😉
Probably not for long though. They have had quite a few aircraft pass through their ‘hands’ now – not sure if they will ever fill that lovely new hangar. The P-47 at $1.8 will not take too long to sell – thats less than £1m.
love the Ju87 captioned ‘Unknown’ :rolleyes: Presumably this is the aircraft associated with the defunct RLM collection as the auctioneers representatives said it was currently in a museum in Germany.
As a local resident
Have you contacted your local authority about this? Is this a listed building (if not what did EH think about it in their recent review)? Have Crown Estates sought permsission to demolish the building yet?
I was told at the time of the sale that the Ju87 was not part of the auction (but two suitable engines were). There were a number of excellent 190 parts and engine components but nothing that was readily identifiable as an airframe/project in progress.
Yes – next summer sees the seventh anniversary of the Battle of Britan 60th Anniversary Air Show held at Duxford in 2000. Coincidentaly we will also be celebrating the 17th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain Salute (50th Anniversary) Airshow held at Boscombe Down in 1990.
This seems to be one of the Sptifires that have been under restoration for decades but never seem to be finished.
Cees
TE517 is basicaly a fuselage restored by R E Melton in 1987. It has not had any further work done to it to my knowledge since then, having been in storage ever since.
Well we are finaly getting somewhere. Looking in detail at the logbooks it appears Haviland flew the cannon armed L1750 several times in December 1940. I believe this aircraft was coded DZ-Z. This particular Hurricane was an historic machine, the first to be fitted with cannons (perhaps it was the first ever British fighter used in combat with cannons?). It was converted in May 1939 to carry the cannons in underwing pods (one weapon per wing) and later evaluated by 151 Sqdn during the Battle of Britain and was used to bring down a Do-17.
Just need a photo now and we are there!
Well unfortunately we are not really any further advanced on this yet and still need a code letter/serial tie up. We have discovered from his logbooks that Haviland also flew Hurricane V7496 a number of times, but again, no code letter is known for this aircraft.
Went up to Dumfries this afternoon to look at the recently-recovered inboard engines from lancaster III, PB456 which crashed on 13 September 1944
Can anyone point me towards any further info on this recovery please?